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Cipriani Potter (1792-1871)


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« on: April 11, 2020, 12:21:43 pm »

In view of the perplexing numbering of Potter's symphonies I have added the following note (in bold below) to my listing on Wikipedia. Please could members judge if it makes sense?!?

Potter seems to have adopted two separate and contradictory systems for the numbering of his symphonies, of which nine are extant: one based on the order of composition (hence those styled 1, 6, 7, 8 and 10) and another based on key (hence the G minor symphony of 1832 is also styled number 2, i.e. the second G minor symphony whilst the two D major symphonies are styled numbers 2 and 4, i.e. the second and fourth D major symphonies). Thus it is possible to surmise that several works, including both a first and a third D major symphony, were lost or destroyed. This has led to considerable confusion which the following list seeks to clarify by adopting a simple chronology.

Symphony [No. 1] in G minor (1819, revised 182426) [styled No. 1 by the composer]
Symphony [No. 2] in B♭ major (1821, revised 1839) [unnumbered by the composer]
Symphony [No. 3] in C minor (1826) [styled No. 6 by the composer]
Symphony [No. 4] in F major (1826) [styled No. 7 by the composer]
Symphony [No. 5] in E♭ major (1828, revised with replacement slow movement 1846) [styled No. 8 by the composer]
Symphony [No. 6] in G minor (1832) [styled both No. 10 and No. 2 by the composer]
Symphony [No. 7] in D major (1833) [styled No. 2 by the composer]
Symphony [No. 8] in C minor (1834) [unnumbered by the composer]
Symphony [No. 9] in D major (1834) [styled No. 4 by the composer]

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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2020, 08:38:56 am »

Well, your explanation seems (reasonably) clear to me.
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2020, 09:11:41 am »

Thanks, Beorn!

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2020, 01:28:27 pm »

Very helpful indeed. Many thanks.
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2021, 09:32:15 am »

On the assumption that the new CPO recording of Potter's Symphony No.1 is the same performance as that in the BBC broadcast I have "suspended" the off-air recording from the archive. If any member can let me know if they aren't identical I will reverse this!

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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2021, 01:19:13 pm »

Way-hey! Lovely new disc of scribbles by "Little Chip" just landed. Booklet-notes comprehensibly 'n all, penned by Sullivanite Meinhard Saremba and translated by J. Bradford Robinson, so no Reznicek therapy sessions required. I knew Howard Griffiths would eventually get round to this repertoire: first outings for the Cymbeline overture and the Introduzione e Rondo (alla militaire). Great stuff methinks!

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Buy! Buy! Buy! Oh, and then email CPO to ensure that this is just the beginning of their Potter traversal.

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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2021, 02:24:11 pm »

Way-hey! Lovely new disc of scribbles by "Little Chip" just landed. Booklet-notes comprehensibly 'n all, penned by Sullivanite Meinhard Saremba and translated by J. Bradford Robinson, so no Reznicek therapy sessions required. I knew Howard Griffiths would eventually get round to this repertoire: first outings for the Cymbeline overture and the Introduzione e Rondo (alla militaire). Great stuff methinks!

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Buy! Buy! Buy! Oh, and then email CPO to ensure that this is just the beginning of their Potter traversal.

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Oh God. More expense... ::)
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2021, 02:28:02 pm »

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and then email CPO to ensure that this is just the beginning of their Potter traversal.

This instruction is important. They DO listen to customer feedback. Please drop CPO a line - for attention of Herr Burkhard Schmilgun (he is the Artists & Repertoire Manager).
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2021, 02:32:11 pm »

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and then email CPO to ensure that this is just the beginning of their Potter traversal.

This instruction is important. They DO listen to customer feedback. Please drop CPO a line - for attention of Herr Burkhard Schmilgun (he is the Artists & Repertoire Manager).
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2021, 03:55:01 pm »

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and then email CPO to ensure that this is just the beginning of their Potter traversal.

This instruction is important. They DO listen to customer feedback. Please drop CPO a line - for attention of Herr Burkhard Schmilgun (he is the Artists & Repertoire Manager).

Gareth, as ever you were just ahead of me! YES, send in your appreciative comments to Burkhard and get this bloody wonderful music recorded (whilst yer at it, put in a kindly word for Mackenzie 'n' Cowen)...

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and then email CPO to ensure that this is just the beginning of their Potter traversal.

This instruction is important. They DO listen to customer feedback. Please drop CPO a line - for attention of Herr Burkhard Schmilgun (he is the Artists & Repertoire Manager).

Gareth, as ever you were just ahead of me! YES, send in your appreciative comments to Burkhard and get this bloody wonderful music recorded (whilst yer at it, put in a kindly word for Mackenzie 'n' Cowen)...

 :D

Yep, just popped another appreciative scribble off to both Burkhard 'n' Howard. Potter scores very highly in the British symphonic pioneering stakes: Samuel Wesley jolly fun, William Crotch hmmm, Bennett refined and tuneful, Macfarren worthy but dull, Sullivan excellent.

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On to Parry (2-5), Cowen (3-6), Stanford (5-6), German (2-"5") 'n' Cliffe (1-2)... Great stuff that should be in the concert repertoire. Sadly, it ain't, never has been and probably never will be.

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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2021, 02:48:41 pm »

On the assumption that the new CPO recording of Potter's Symphony No.1 is the same performance as that in the BBC broadcast I have "suspended" the off-air recording from the archive. If any member can let me know if they aren't identical I will reverse this!

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Having lent me old cloth-ears to said disc, I conclude that the performance is the same. Hence it is deleted from BIMA. C'mon email CPO to get this stuff recorded: mine, Lionel's 'n' Gareth's pesterings ain't enough!

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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2021, 04:16:25 pm »

On the assumption that the new CPO recording of Potter's Symphony No.1 is the same performance as that in the BBC broadcast I have "suspended" the off-air recording from the archive. If any member can let me know if they aren't identical I will reverse this!

 :)

Having lent me old cloth-ears to said disc, I conclude that the performance is the same. Hence it is deleted from BIMA. C'mon email CPO to get this stuff recorded: mine, Lionel's 'n' Gareth's pesterings ain't enough!

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I even managed to write mine in a sort of German, with the aid of a translation app! I expect it will cause a laugh at the other end, which might serve to get them on our side!  ;D
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2021, 06:27:15 pm »

On the assumption that the new CPO recording of Potter's Symphony No.1 is the same performance as that in the BBC broadcast I have "suspended" the off-air recording from the archive. If any member can let me know if they aren't identical I will reverse this!

 :)

Having lent me old cloth-ears to said disc, I conclude that the performance is the same. Hence it is deleted from BIMA. C'mon email CPO to get this stuff recorded: mine, Lionel's 'n' Gareth's pesterings ain't enough!

 ;)
I even managed to write mine in a sort of German, with the aid of a translation app! I expect it will cause a laugh at the other end, which might serve to get them on our side!  ;D

Bless you, Lionel! You are a true friend to music and I, for one, thank you wholeheartedly.

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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2021, 06:45:48 pm »

On the assumption that the new CPO recording of Potter's Symphony No.1 is the same performance as that in the BBC broadcast I have "suspended" the off-air recording from the archive. If any member can let me know if they aren't identical I will reverse this!

 :)

Having lent me old cloth-ears to said disc, I conclude that the performance is the same. Hence it is deleted from BIMA. C'mon email CPO to get this stuff recorded: mine, Lionel's 'n' Gareth's pesterings ain't enough!

 ;)
I even managed to write mine in a sort of German, with the aid of a translation app! I expect it will cause a laugh at the other end, which might serve to get them on our side!  ;D

Bless you, Lionel! You are a true friend to music and I, for one, thank you wholeheartedly.

 ;)

It's very kind of you say so. If a friend is there for you through difficult times, and comforts you unconditionally, I somehow think music has been a better friend to me than I have been to it! ;D
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