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Obscure Russian/Soviet Piano Concertos


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« on: December 02, 2013, 08:37:42 pm »

Thought I would start a thread on Favorite Rare Russian/Soviet Piano Concertos; however, I realize after reading everyone posts over the year, that we would all pass a music appreciation class with A+’s

Here is my short list:

Alexandrov
Auster
Barisons
Darzins
Feinberg
Garuta
Gasanov (Hasanov)
Lemba No 1
Lyatoshinsky
Medins (Janis)
Rakov No 1 and 2
Taktakishvili No 1
Tcherepnin, N.
Tobias
Vasilenko
Zilinskis


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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2013, 09:00:57 pm »

Great thread! I would agree with you on all the ones you listed that I've heard (the Medins is especially wonderful). These are also great:

Medtner 1-3 (obscure enough?)
Liapunov 1 and 2
Dobrowen
Bortkiewicz 1-3
Kosenko
Machavariani
Levina 1 and 2
Amirov/Nazirova (Concerto on Arabian Themes)
Catoire
Golubev 1-3
Ivanovs
Galynin 1
Adigezalov 3 and 4
Gazizov
Lepin 3
Kos-Anatolsky
Nikolayeva 1

At least here I can make lists, unlike at a certain other place......
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2013, 09:33:20 pm »

Great thread! I would agree with you on all the ones you listed that I've heard (the Medins is especially wonderful). These are also great:

Medtner 1-3 (obscure enough?)
Liapunov 1 and 2
Dobrowen
Bortkiewicz 1-3
Kosenko
Machavariani
Levina 1 and 2
Amirov/Nazirova (Concerto on Arabian Themes)
Catoire
Golubev 1-3
Ivanovs
Galynin 1
Adigezalov 3 and 4
Gazizov
Lepin 3
Kos-Anatolsky
Nikolayeva 1

At least here I can make lists, unlike at a certain other place......


Ah.... yes the Nikolayeva... probably the most obscure piece of music of all time.... recorded in the pre Melodiya era  on a 78 from what I read.... or maybe one of those thick super heavy 33's where the needle falls of the platter if you don't hold it just right...(sound familiar?)   If it wasn't for the internet, we would have never heard it.

 great list !!


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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2013, 09:38:18 pm »

ahh..  there is a book called Russian Piano Concerto by Norris that has a great analysis of these PfConcertos.
Starting with  Rubinstein.. thru the 1960s I recall. 
that reminds me of a list I have of Russian/Soviet composer and their works.....


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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2013, 10:44:26 pm »

Great thread! I would agree with you on all the ones you listed that I've heard (the Medins is especially wonderful). These are also great:

Medtner 1-3 (obscure enough?)
Liapunov 1 and 2
Dobrowen
Bortkiewicz 1-3
Kosenko
Machavariani
Levina 1 and 2
Amirov/Nazirova (Concerto on Arabian Themes)
Catoire
Golubev 1-3
Ivanovs
Galynin 1
Adigezalov 3 and 4
Gazizov
Lepin 3
Kos-Anatolsky
Nikolayeva 1

At least here I can make lists, unlike at a certain other place......
Reasons for names chosen,please?! Otherwise this becomes just another extremely interesting,thought provoking list! Grin Wink
Although writing out my shopping list today I can see their point.

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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2013, 10:50:03 pm »

Reasons for names chosen,please?! Otherwise this becomes just another extremely interesting,thought provoking list! Grin Wink

You scared me there for a second, cilgwyn Grin I was beginning to think one of the UC moderators had dropped by for a visit Grin
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2013, 10:51:35 pm »

Ah.... yes the Nikolayeva... probably the most obscure piece of music of all time

If it was the most obscure piece of all time, then why is there a recording available of it? Wink
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2013, 11:50:54 pm »

Ah.... yes the Nikolayeva... probably the most obscure piece of music of all time

If it was the most obscure piece of all time, then why is there a recording available of it? Wink

I didn't think there was a recording available on the market at this time??  (Nikolayeva).. if there is a Naxos/Chandos/Hyperion/whatever.. version let me know.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2013, 12:10:46 am »

I didn't think there was a recording available on the market at this time??  (Nikolayeva).. if there is a Naxos/Chandos/Hyperion/whatever.. version let me know.

Sorry for the confusion, I meant the recording posted on YouTube comes from a Melodiya LP (according to Mike Herman's discography).
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2013, 03:41:14 am »

Just listened on YT to the Piano Concerto by Soviet composer Eugene Stikhin (b. 1932?), on whom there is virtually no information to be found on the Web. The PC is overall a rather individual work, despite being influenced by Prokofiev in parts, and contains some rather powerful passages.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2014, 10:28:10 am »


Ah.... yes the Nikolayeva... probably the most obscure piece of music of all time....


I've a recording of Tatiana Nikolayeva's second piano concerto in E-flat major, op. 32 (1966). I'm going to upload it, if you're interested...
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2014, 06:35:08 pm »

Reasons for names chosen,please?! Otherwise this becomes just another extremely interesting,thought provoking list! Grin Wink

You scared me there for a second, cilgwyn Grin I was beginning to think one of the UC moderators had dropped by for a visit Grin

yes me too... that used to annoy me with the UC moderator getting into arguments with the posters.. of why their comments were worthless... after a little of this going on, I quite going there.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2014, 09:55:11 am »

I would add
David Toradze (father of the well known pianist Alexander) Piano Concerto.
I have heard it in an actual concerto, played by .....Alexander Toradze.
It was just the opposite of an "apparatus" work.
It reminded me a little (but sounded better) Andrč Previn Piano Concerto.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2014, 01:21:39 pm »

I own the Nikolayeva Melodiya and it is about an inch thick  Smiley, it is clean and well preserved but still sounds pretty crappy--same sound as the one on youtube. I had a request in to a Moscow record seller for several years before I got it. I would like to hear it in a modern clean version because in spite of my obsession to get it, I have never really enjoyed it all that much. I don't think it is necessarily a barn-burner, but I am glad to have it just as homage to Madame Nikolayeva. There are some youtubes of her playing, and the Tchaikovsky No. 1 by her was glorious for me--watching her make such big beautiful sounds with her little fingers and her beautiful smile charmed me! In some thread someone brought to our attention that you could look up composers by country on classical-online.ru, and I went through the Russian and some former soviet union countries and actually found a few concertos by composers I had never heard of before such as Igor Yakushenko, Alexsei Nikolaev, Victor Miniotas--'twas fun.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2014, 02:22:35 pm »

I own the Nikolayeva Melodiya and it is about an inch thick  Smiley, it is clean and well preserved but still sounds pretty crappy--same sound as the one on youtube. I had a request in to a Moscow record seller for several years before I got it. I would like to hear it in a modern clean version because in spite of my obsession to get it, I have never really enjoyed it all that much. I don't think it is necessarily a barn-burner, but I am glad to have it just as homage to Madame Nikolayeva. There are some youtubes of her playing, and the Tchaikovsky No. 1 by her was glorious for me--watching her make such big beautiful sounds with her little fingers and her beautiful smile charmed me! In some thread someone brought to our attention that you could look up composers by country on classical-online.ru, and I went through the Russian and some former soviet union countries and actually found a few concertos by composers I had never heard of before such as Igor Yakushenko, Alexsei Nikolaev, Victor Miniotas--'twas fun.

is that one a 78?  made from Shellac?
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