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Title: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on April 27, 2021, 12:35:28 pm
An absolute 'must' for me!

(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiODkwNjM4MC4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6MzAwfSwianBlZyI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0IjoianBlZyJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE2MTkxODEwMzh9)

Full track listings here:

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8906380--heart-hereafter (https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8906380--heart-hereafter)

Trust me, there is some glorious music to be experienced here. The release date is 28th May 2021. I only hope I don't peg out before then!


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Albion on April 27, 2021, 04:02:58 pm
Lionel, how fantastic! Thanks for this heads-up: we know you're devoted to S C-T and that any recommendation from you regarding him is sound.

 :)


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on April 27, 2021, 05:31:56 pm
Lionel, how fantastic! Thanks for this heads-up: we know you're devoted to S C-T and that any recommendation from you regarding him is sound.

 :)

Thank you, John.  :) As far as I can establish, many of these are 'first commercial recordings'; of the Six Sorrow Songs, only the fifth, Unmindful of the Roses, has been recorded before (by the baritone Arthur Reckless in March 1935).  The Southern Love Songs have been recorded (in 2000 by the Artsong Collective on the Musaeus label). Of the African Romances, only the fourth, Dawn, has been recorded previously: by soprano Alma Gluck in June 1917. Unsurprisingly, perhaps, I have not been able to locate a copy of this!

The Songs of Sun and Shade have fared a little better on disc: Arthur Reckless set down Thou Hast Bewitched Me, Beloved; Thou Art Risen, My Beloved and This is the Island of Gardens, a song not included on the new disc. Big Lady Moon, a thoroughly enchanting little song, has been recorded in the stereo era by Robert Tear and, most delightfully, by Felicity Palmer, accompanied by John Constable, on an Argo LP. For the sake of completeness, I might mention that it was also recorded by contralto Violet Oppenshaw on 7 July 1916. I don't have this either!

Life and Death (SC-T's last completed song, ironically) was included on the Artsong Collective CD referred to above, and on an ars vobiscum CD, together with A Lament, sung by bass Thomas Stimmel with pianist Philipp Vogler.

That's the sum total of recordings of these particular songs, until this new and most welcome collection from Elizabeth Llewellyn and Simon Lepper.



Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Chriskh on April 28, 2021, 08:14:44 am
"of the Six Sorrow Songs, only the fifth, Unmindful of the Roses, has been recorded before (by the baritone Arthur Reckless in March 1935)".

The complete cycle of Sorrow Songs, and also Lament, were recorded in 2012 by mezzo-soprano Elisabetta Paglia and the undersigned pianist as part of a disc dedicated to settings of Christina Rossetti (Sheva SHO 76). The disc is available on Amazon https://www.amazon.ca/My-Heart-Like-Singing-Bird/dp/B00E3QKX18, directly from the manufacturer  http://www.shevacollection.co.uk/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=74 and was reviewed favourably by MusicWeb http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2013/Aug13/Singing_bird_SH076.htm

I do wish people would do a minimum of googling before claiming first recordings. I seem to spend a certain amount of my time making first recordings, only to have other people come along later with claimed first recordings of the same pieces. I had another recent example of this with Stanford's Triumph of Love


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on April 28, 2021, 08:28:07 am
"of the Six Sorrow Songs, only the fifth, Unmindful of the Roses, has been recorded before (by the baritone Arthur Reckless in March 1935)".

The complete cycle of Sorrow Songs, and also Lament, were recorded in 2012 by mezzo-soprano Elisabetta Paglia and the undersigned pianist as part of a disc dedicated to settings of Christina Rossetti (Sheva SHO 76). The disc is available on Amazon https://www.amazon.ca/My-Heart-Like-Singing-Bird/dp/B00E3QKX18, directly from the manufacturer  http://www.shevacollection.co.uk/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=74 and was reviewed favourably by MusicWeb http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2013/Aug13/Singing_bird_SH076.htm

I do wish people would do a minimum of googling before claiming first recordings. I seem to spend a certain amount of my time making first recordings, only to have other people come along later with claimed first recordings of the same pieces. I had another recent example of this with Stanford's Triumph of Love

Oh I do apologise! I was unaware of your recording and I shall seek it out immediately. I'm really not sure how that slipped under my radar, especially as it's not particularly recent. I understand that it must be terribly irritating and I'm very glad you corrected my error. Put it down to old age, if you can feel charitable!


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Chriskh on April 28, 2021, 08:57:34 am
No problem! My irritation was directed, not so much at you as at Orchid Classics whose blurb certainly implies ("To poetry by Christina Rossetti, Coleridge-Taylorís Six Sorrow Songs and A Lament are almost all world-premiere recordings") they are first recordings


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on April 28, 2021, 10:36:51 am
No problem! My irritation was directed, not so much at you as at Orchid Classics whose blurb certainly implies ("To poetry by Christina Rossetti, Coleridge-Taylorís Six Sorrow Songs and A Lament are almost all world-premiere recordings") they are first recordings
It's kind of you to say so but I really should have checked, rather than relying on that blurb. :(


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Albion on April 28, 2021, 10:55:49 am
"of the Six Sorrow Songs, only the fifth, Unmindful of the Roses, has been recorded before (by the baritone Arthur Reckless in March 1935)".

The complete cycle of Sorrow Songs, and also Lament, were recorded in 2012 by mezzo-soprano Elisabetta Paglia and the undersigned pianist as part of a disc dedicated to settings of Christina Rossetti (Sheva SHO 76). The disc is available on Amazon https://www.amazon.ca/My-Heart-Like-Singing-Bird/dp/B00E3QKX18, directly from the manufacturer  http://www.shevacollection.co.uk/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=74 and was reviewed favourably by MusicWeb http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2013/Aug13/Singing_bird_SH076.htm

I do wish people would do a minimum of googling before claiming first recordings. I seem to spend a certain amount of my time making first recordings, only to have other people come along later with claimed first recordings of the same pieces. I had another recent example of this with Stanford's Triumph of Love

Chris, I do sympathise! You've personally done so much for British music (especially on the Sheva label with Stanford's and Mackenzie's piano music, etc.) and it must be incredibly frustrating to encounter other record companies claiming premieres which clearly aren't.

 >:(

Please, please, please keep searching out, reviving and preserving this music (mentioning no names, but a certain composer whose surname also starts with the letter C springs to mind, lol).

 :)


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on May 28, 2021, 04:53:36 pm
Some interesting little one-minute vignettes from Liz Llewellyn, Simon Lepper and others about the genesis of this recording:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL53GcTPEA0fwAu8pHUDQyihip8mMKTdSS (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL53GcTPEA0fwAu8pHUDQyihip8mMKTdSS)


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on May 29, 2021, 11:52:04 am
A positive review from the Grauniad (although one which repeats the erroneous statement that SC-T was born in Croydon -- really, this is very lazy journalism):

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/may/27/heart-hereafter-songs-of-samuel-coleridge-taylor-review-elizabeth-llewellyn-simon-lepper (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/may/27/heart-hereafter-songs-of-samuel-coleridge-taylor-review-elizabeth-llewellyn-simon-lepper)


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Albion on May 29, 2021, 02:04:06 pm
A positive review from the Grauniad (although one which repeats the erroneous statement that SC-T was born in Croydon -- really, this is very lazy journalism):

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/may/27/heart-hereafter-songs-of-samuel-coleridge-taylor-review-elizabeth-llewellyn-simon-lepper (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/may/27/heart-hereafter-songs-of-samuel-coleridge-taylor-review-elizabeth-llewellyn-simon-lepper)

A good review indeed! Yep, journalists do not tend to research but churn out snippets of linguistic bum-fodder off t'interweb. Speaking of such matters (tangentially of course), I toddled off to Farmfoods for me pauper's chicken nuggets to be greeted with a pile of boxes of washing powder with a planet-saving slogan given total domination of the packaging -

USE LESS

Should I invest me pennies in said product? Methinks not! Hmmm. I wonder what advertising genius/ graphic artist came up with that one?

 :-\


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on May 29, 2021, 03:21:07 pm
A positive review from the Grauniad (although one which repeats the erroneous statement that SC-T was born in Croydon -- really, this is very lazy journalism):

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/may/27/heart-hereafter-songs-of-samuel-coleridge-taylor-review-elizabeth-llewellyn-simon-lepper (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/may/27/heart-hereafter-songs-of-samuel-coleridge-taylor-review-elizabeth-llewellyn-simon-lepper)

A good review indeed! Yep, journalists do not tend to research but churn out snippets of linguistic bum-fodder off t'interweb. Speaking of such matters (tangentially of course), I toddled off to Farmfoods for me pauper's chicken nuggets to be greeted with a pile of boxes of washing powder with a planet-saving slogan given total domination of the packaging -

USE LESS

Should I invest me pennies in said product? Methinks not! Hmmm. I wonder what advertising genius/ graphic artist came up with that one?

 :-\

 ;D ;D ;D That really tickled me!


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: cilgwyn on May 29, 2021, 06:22:23 pm
Haven't had chicken nuggets for years!!


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on May 29, 2021, 06:38:51 pm
Haven't had chicken nuggets for years!!
I have a funny feeling that there are some lurking in the nether regions of our freezer...


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Albion on May 29, 2021, 07:12:40 pm
Haven't had chicken nuggets for years!!

Yum, nice with mushy peas 'n' wedges. Ah what gourmet delights await!

(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R89848bd5a4d36da088f35866b8777d59?rik=RIkDUuzHdlLTKA&pid=ImgRaw)

Hey, means more money for lovely discs of Potter, Bantock and Coleridge-Taylor.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/da/fa/b9/dafab9a72c6cb0da2048d5a77e682e0f--train-stations-vintage-photos.jpg)

 :)


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on May 29, 2021, 07:18:02 pm
Haven't had chicken nuggets for years!!

Yum, nice with mushy peas 'n' wedges. Ah what gourmet delights await!

(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R89848bd5a4d36da088f35866b8777d59?rik=RIkDUuzHdlLTKA&pid=ImgRaw)


Do you know, can you get boil-in-the-bag Crap?


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Albion on May 29, 2021, 07:42:56 pm
Do you know, can you get boil-in-the-bag Crap?

How's about "Bag-in-the-boil"?

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/62/98/7f/62987f6904e5e4a5ef17775a4e2b7046--witch-quotes-quotes-quotes.jpg)


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on May 29, 2021, 09:37:33 pm
Do you know, can you get boil-in-the-bag Crap?

How's about "Bag-in-the-boil"?

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/62/98/7f/62987f6904e5e4a5ef17775a4e2b7046--witch-quotes-quotes-quotes.jpg)

 ;D

When shall we three meet again?
In thunder, lightning, or the jacuzzi?


Hang on a minute... It was Sullivan wot wrote incidental music for Macbeth, not

Samuel Coleridge-Taylor

Ta-dah!


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Albion on May 30, 2021, 01:28:02 am
When shall we three meet again?
In thunder, lightning, or the jacuzzi?


Hang on a minute... It was Sullivan wot wrote incidental music for Macbeth, not

Samuel Coleridge-Taylor

Ta-dah!

Daintily done.

 :D


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on May 30, 2021, 10:09:29 am
When shall we three meet again?
In thunder, lightning, or the jacuzzi?


Hang on a minute... It was Sullivan wot wrote incidental music for Macbeth, not

Samuel Coleridge-Taylor

Ta-dah!

Daintily done.

 :D
Thank you, kind sir. For such a fat man I can be surprisingly light on my feet!


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Albion on September 12, 2021, 08:18:41 am
A generally positive review, with some reservations - http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Sep/Coleridge-Taylor-songs-ORC100164.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Sep/Coleridge-Taylor-songs-ORC100164.htm)

 :)


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on September 12, 2021, 09:42:31 am
A generally positive review, with some reservations - http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Sep/Coleridge-Taylor-songs-ORC100164.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Sep/Coleridge-Taylor-songs-ORC100164.htm)

 :)

Yes, it is. I only part company with him seriously on his reaction to Big Lady Moon, which he finds 'stubbornly anodyne' and I find 'exquisite' (especially in the version by Felicity Palmer that he refrs to). Still, that's a matter of taste, of course.


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Albion on September 12, 2021, 10:07:22 am
A generally positive review, with some reservations - http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Sep/Coleridge-Taylor-songs-ORC100164.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Sep/Coleridge-Taylor-songs-ORC100164.htm)

 :)

Yes, it is. I only part company with him seriously on his reaction to Big Lady Moon, which he finds 'stubbornly anodyne' and I find 'exquisite' (especially in the version by Felicity Palmer that he refrs to). Still, that's a matter of taste, of course.

Do you think the recital gives a good overview of S C-T's song output, or could the selection have been different? We need a disc of his part-songs - several are in BIMA:

Dead in the Sierras, Op.67 No.2 (1905); Drakeís Drum (1906); Sea Drift, Op.69 (1908); O Mariners, Out of the Sunlight (1910); The Lee Shore (1911); The Sea Shell (1911); The Evening Star (1911)

 :)


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Lionel Harrison on September 12, 2021, 12:27:56 pm
A generally positive review, with some reservations - http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Sep/Coleridge-Taylor-songs-ORC100164.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Sep/Coleridge-Taylor-songs-ORC100164.htm)

 :)

Yes, it is. I only part company with him seriously on his reaction to Big Lady Moon, which he finds 'stubbornly anodyne' and I find 'exquisite' (especially in the version by Felicity Palmer that he refrs to). Still, that's a matter of taste, of course.

Do you think the recital gives a good overview of S C-T's song output, or could the selection have been different? We need a disc of his part-songs - several are in BIMA:

Dead in the Sierras, Op.67 No.2 (1905); Drakeís Drum (1906); Sea Drift, Op.69 (1908); O Mariners, Out of the Sunlight (1910); The Lee Shore (1911); The Sea Shell (1911); The Evening Star (1911)

 :)

Actually, I do. It's clear that Jonathan Woolf is not terribly in sympathy with what he describes variously as 'dutiful Victoriana' or 'British balladry', whereas some of us are prepared to admit that we are comfortable with both. SC-T wasn't the first or last composer to write what he knew would be popular with his public in order to put food on the table and I think it's ungracious to chastise him and others for doing it. As Mr Woolf confirms, SC-T could produce more profound utterances when the mood took him.

As to the part songs, I entirely agree that we could do with a CD of them, as many are remarkably fine. In my opinion, the best of the lost is Summer is Gone (1911) which crops up occasionally on recordings: notably, this one

(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiNzk1NjA1NC4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6MzAwfSwianBlZyI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0IjoianBlZyJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE0NzExNzYxODN9)

which contains all manner of other delights by Sullivan, Stanford, Elgar, Parry, George MacFarren, Robert Pearsall et al,

and on this:

https://www.discogs.com/Lumen-Valo-Gravity/release/18776962 (https://www.discogs.com/Lumen-Valo-Gravity/release/18776962) which is a stunning recording by this Finnish group with, again, many other lovely part-songs by Finzi, RVW and so on.


Title: Re: Coleridge-Taylor: Songs
Post by: Albion on September 12, 2021, 12:40:11 pm
Actually, I do. It's clear that Jonathan Woolf is not terribly in sympathy with what he describes variously as 'dutiful Victoriana' or 'British balladry', whereas some of us are prepared to admit that we are comfortable with both.

Indeed, if the latest Sullivan songs discs on Chandos had been called "Ballads" it would have no doubt drawn derogatory comments and immediately put the deadening touch of the aspidistra and antimacassar on it. As it is, The Harmonious Echo has been very positively received. Title and marketing are so important when it comes to cloth-eared critics...

 ::)

...perhaps they may not have even noticed that the quote is from the much-maligned The Lost Chord.