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Title: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: tapiola on November 25, 2014, 09:33:00 am
CDLX 7313 Loeffler: mixed programme of unrecorded orchestral works including solo violin and orch and solo saxophone and orch

CDLX 7314 Havergal Brian: Syms 5, 19, 27

CDLX 7315 Britten Violin Concerto/ Delius Concerto; Milford The Darkling Thrush 

CDLX 7316 Braunfels opera orchestral extracts and the late Symphony

CDLX 7317 Howells Cello Concerto; Merry Eye etc

CDLX 7318 Malcolm Arnold Sym 7; John Field Fantasy (Peter Donohoe, pf); Philharmonic Concerto


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: jimfin on November 25, 2014, 10:25:53 am
After a long wait! Can't wait for the Brian in particular, all premieres!


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Gauk on November 26, 2014, 08:37:06 am
About time we had a modern recording of Brian's 5th - it's one of his most approachable works, too.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: patmos.beje on November 26, 2014, 10:28:59 am
Disappointed the Bate Cello Concerto is not among the December releases  :-[ but fully understand that the release of 3 Cello Concertos (Bax and Bate on one disc) makes no commercial sense.  March, I presume, will see the Bate release and is something to look forward to.

I will happily purchase the Howells disc and the Violin Concerto disc solely for the Milford Darkling Thrush.  Britten's Violin Concerto is not among my favourite Violin Concertos (though I enjoy his works for piano and orchestra and the Cello Symphony).  The Delius' Concerto is among my favoutites and, whilst I would not have bought the disc for this, a new version in, hopefully, good sound means the Darkling Thrush has something to accompany it.

Whilst neither the Brian or Arnold discs interest me I am delighted to see that Dutton continues to be enterprising. 

Well done Dutton.   ;D


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: christopher on November 26, 2014, 10:30:48 am
Thank you for this information!  Do you know what is on the Loeffler?


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: jimfin on November 26, 2014, 11:14:34 am
Are we sure these are December releases? I was under the impression the Brian was coming out in February. I quite agree about the Milford, a composer I very much want to know more of.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: tapiola on November 26, 2014, 12:11:04 pm
Those are the items sent off to the factory.  Who knows with Dutton though. I just pass on what I am told.

Bate: Cello Concerto/ Bax: Cello Concerto and Variations for Orchestra should follow in the spring.

Loeffler CD:
Johannes Wildner/BBC CO/Amy Dickson/Lorraine McAslan
 
Charles Loeffler: Divertimento/Une Nuit de Mai/Divertimento Espagnole/Poem/Villanelle
 


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: jimfin on November 27, 2014, 11:05:23 am
Well thank you very much for letting us know. I've been watching like a hawk for this post!


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: patmos.beje on December 16, 2014, 09:41:23 am

The new December releases from Dutton appear on page 11 under Epoch - Modern Classic from the index.  At the time of writing there is no add to basket option but that, together with their appearing on the home page, will no doubt appear soon.

At this juncture, there are three British music releases 'HAVERGAL BRIAN-WINE OF SUMMER & SYMPHONIES NOS 19 & 27'; 'HERBERT HOWELLS & RONALD CORP-CELLO CONCERTOS AND HOWELLS' MERRY EYE AND PUCK'S MINUET'; and 'MALCOLM ARNOLD-PHILHARMONIC CONCERTO & SYMPHONY NO.7 AND FANTASY ON A THEME OF JOHN FIELD'.  The other releases are LOEFFLER, WIDOR and BRAUNFELS.  There is a View Tracks option.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Paulp on December 16, 2014, 03:38:19 pm
I note that the Brian issue will also have the Festal Dance - I hope Brabbins will include the quasi-concertante piano part that was omitted by Adrian Leaper in the Naxos recording.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: cilgwyn on December 17, 2014, 02:31:08 pm
I hope so! I liked the Hull Youth SO performance because of this and the they made the piece sound more fun! The Hull Youth SO weren't the LSSO unfortunately,who seemed to be in a class of their own (if you'll excuse the pun!). I remember thinking those wierd screetching off key strings might be how Brian's early music might sound! A bit like finger nails on a blackboard! I also preferred their performance of 'In Memoriam' to the Marco Polo one. I think they found that one easier to grasp than the other more complex scores they tried to tackle. I didn't think so much of 'For Valour',which was also on that Lp;and I didn't hear their other efforts until years later! Still,they were youngsters and they were doing something off the beaten track,so I'm going to be kind and give them a few marks for enterprise and enthusiasm! Heck,I can play chopsticks and March of the Wooden Soldiers,and that's about all! I wonder where they are now,though? Has their playing improved? Did they chuck it in for something else?! I remember I used to run away and hide when it was time for my piano class! ;D


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: patmos.beje on December 18, 2014, 01:30:16 pm

New Dutton CDs have disappeared from page 11 of their Epoch - Modern Classic section (formerly Epoch - British Music).  Perhaps a good sign that they are about to be uploaded with 'add to cart' option  ;D or a disappointing sign that they will not be December new releases?  :-[


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: tapiola on December 18, 2014, 03:08:46 pm
The Dutton people drive me crazy.  They are mysterious and unhelpful.  I know MDT doesn't want to deal with them. 
Were it not for the precious repertoire and the quality of the recordings I would not deal with them either.
They need to hire a public relations person and sales might increase.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: jimfin on December 18, 2014, 11:00:50 pm
I've found them helpful when ordering from them, as I usually do directly, and they tend to dispatch stuff immediately. But about future releases, I must agree, they are as unreadable as the sphinx.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: tapiola on December 19, 2014, 01:06:59 am
And I have an inside source!   :D  The product and shipping are without peer though.  It just takes patience.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: guest251 on December 19, 2014, 07:47:50 am
There is a full page spread advertising all these new releases in the latest BBC Music Magazine, so we can at least see the cover artwork now...I can't wait, especially for the HB disc!!

I know they have the CDs manufactured in Austria, and it is not always predictable when they will be sent back to the UK for them to ship out, but I am guessing it will now be early Jan.



Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: jimfin on December 19, 2014, 11:40:20 am
I remember them telling me about the Austrian thing, but they are usually available to order before they actually appear in stock. I've ordered before, as soon as they were available on the website, then enquired after a while when they didn't come, to be told they were waiting for them.

It being Christmas and new year in both countries won't speed things up either, I imagine. Still, it'll be worth the wait


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: tapiola on December 19, 2014, 02:41:19 pm
They are now available for ordering!  ;D


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: cilgwyn on December 19, 2014, 05:37:27 pm
Great! I've placed my pre-order for the Brian,now! :)


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Jolly Roger on December 19, 2014, 10:57:40 pm
And I have an inside source!   :D  The product and shipping are without peer though.  It just takes patience.
Happy to see more Brian.
Speaking of the prolific, please urge them to open up the bounteous supply of marvelous Bourgeois symphonies. 1 thru 6 would be a good start.
Why the UK has rejected this fine music is even more of a mystery than Brian's previous neglect.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Toby Esterhase on December 20, 2014, 02:06:28 am
And I have an inside source!   :D  The product and shipping are without peer though.  It just takes patience.
Happy to see more Brian.
Speaking of the prolific, please urge them to open up the bounteous supply of marvelous Bourgeois symphonies. 1 thru 6 would be a good start.
Why the UK has rejected this fine music is even more of a mystery than Brian's previous neglect.

Dear Jolly
I agree totally Could i add Wilfreds Josephs's symphonies?
Best


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Gauk on December 20, 2014, 08:18:08 am
And I have an inside source!   :D  The product and shipping are without peer though.  It just takes patience.
Happy to see more Brian.
Speaking of the prolific, please urge them to open up the bounteous supply of marvelous Bourgeois symphonies. 1 thru 6 would be a good start.
Why the UK has rejected this fine music is even more of a mystery than Brian's previous neglect.

Dear Jolly
I agree totally Could i add Wilfreds Josephs's symphonies?
Best

You most certainly can!


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: relm1 on December 21, 2014, 06:48:27 pm
And I have an inside source!   :D  The product and shipping are without peer though.  It just takes patience.
Happy to see more Brian.
Speaking of the prolific, please urge them to open up the bounteous supply of marvelous Bourgeois symphonies. 1 thru 6 would be a good start.
Why the UK has rejected this fine music is even more of a mystery than Brian's previous neglect.

Dear Jolly
I agree totally Could i add Wilfreds Josephs's symphonies?
Best

For those of us not so familiar with Wilfred Joseph's symphonies, how would you introduce it to us?  Where to start with his output?


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Toby Esterhase on December 21, 2014, 11:37:38 pm
And I have an inside source!   :D  The product and shipping are without peer though.  It just takes patience.
Happy to see more Brian.
Speaking of the prolific, please urge them to open up the bounteous supply of marvelous Bourgeois symphonies. 1 thru 6 would be a good start.
Why the UK has rejected this fine music is even more of a mystery than Brian's previous neglect.

Dear Jolly

I agree totally Could i add Wilfreds Josephs's symphonies?
Best

For those of us not so familiar with Wilfred Joseph's symphonies, how would you introduce it to us?  Where to start with his output?

I only listened it in London

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CLASSICAL-LP-WILFRED-JOSEPHS-PASTORAL-SYMPHONY-ADELAIDE-SYMPHONY-ORCHESTRA-/400412864703


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Jolly Roger on December 22, 2014, 09:36:01 am
Several of his works and 3 of his symphonies are posted right here at our site by Albion!
http://www.mediafire.com/?yqrs5q7n92j17#39gklf97ua449


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: dhibbard on December 22, 2014, 04:05:11 pm
What is the best website for purchasing Duttons  ??


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: tapiola on December 22, 2014, 05:28:56 pm
Presto when they list them which could be a while.
Dutton if you want them immediately but more expensive.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Gauk on December 22, 2014, 06:53:26 pm
Presto when they list them which could be a while.
Dutton if you want them immediately but more expensive.

I always order from direct from Dutton - they deserve the money. Or I buy them over the counter at my local music shop, since they also deserve the money!


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: dhibbard on December 22, 2014, 07:44:00 pm
ok  found it   http://www.duttonvocalion.co.uk/default.asp


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: jimfin on December 22, 2014, 11:50:33 pm
Yeah, Dutton are good to deal with when you order from them. These will take a while till they're in stock, but anything from the back catalogue will be with you as soon as you like. Takes four days from me clicking to things arriving here in Japan.

I always order their stuff direct, though I'll be getting the Brian from the Havergal Brian Society (as they also deserve the money).


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: dhibbard on December 23, 2014, 03:54:46 am
I have the recording Toivo Kuula SONGS AND ORCHESTRAL MUSIC on the Dutton label.... very enjoyable.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: patmos.beje on January 30, 2015, 10:14:54 pm
I note no one appears to have commented on the Dutton January CD releases.  :-[

For what it is worth, I purchased the CD of the Herbert Howells’ Cello Concerto with the Finale completed by Jonathan Clinch.  I am aware the first two movements were previously released on Chandos but as Howells is a composer I have limited enthusiasm for I had never bothered to acquaint myself with the Chandos CD.

The Howells’ Cello Concerto is highly impressive and worth the price of the CD alone.  However, both Puck’s Minuet and Merry-Eve are highly enjoyable and the Ronald Corp Cello Concerto exceeded my expectations.

A thoroughly enjoyable CD.  ;D


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: jimfin on January 31, 2015, 02:00:39 am
I'm still waiting for my copy to reach Japan. A friend of mine already has his, much to my annoyance. The prospect of the Howells release has prompted me to take more interest in that composer and I am even currently reading a rather well-written biography of him. The Missa Sabriensis and Stabat Mater are really rather wonderful and I wonder why I never much bothered with Howells before.

As for the Brian release, I always look forward to anything 'new' from Brian, and I have especially wanted 'Wine of Summer' to come out for a long time.

The Arnold I have ordered but am far less bothered about, not through lack of enthusiasm for Arnold, but because the works are already widely available.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: cilgwyn on February 01, 2015, 04:37:39 pm
I'm still waiting for my copy to reach Japan. A friend of mine already has his, much to my annoyance. The prospect of the Howells release has prompted me to take more interest in that composer and I am even currently reading a rather well-written biography of him. The Missa Sabriensis and Stabat Mater are really rather wonderful and I wonder why I never much bothered with Howells before.

As for the Brian release, I always look forward to anything 'new' from Brian, and I have especially wanted 'Wine of Summer' to come out for a long time.

The Arnold I have ordered but am far less bothered about, not through lack of enthusiasm for Arnold, but because the works are already widely available.
Lots of 'rave reviews' of the new Brian cd over at the GMG Havergal Brian thread with people placing it 'up there' with the Lyrita 6 & 16! :) Lucky you having this to look forward to......it will be well worth the wait! :)


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: jimfin on February 02, 2015, 10:34:12 am
It arrived today! I'm very impressed with the sound quality. The 'Festal Dance' sounds so bright and clear, and the whole disc carries on like that. I have been preparing by listening a lot to the broadcasts of the three symphonies from this site, and I really enjoyed the performances. The Howells is impressive, but will take a lot more listening, I think, as I didn't know even the existing movements. The Corp I have yet to react to: I like some of his work, like "And all the Trumpets", but his children's opera "The Ice Mountain" has always struck me as sickly sweet. The concerto certainly isn't that, so I may come to love it.

I haven't listened to the Arnold yet, as I know the pieces, but I am sure they'll be well performed.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: patmos.beje on February 02, 2015, 06:02:29 pm
Thanks for your feedback.  I concur that the Howells will require many listens to.  I happen to be listening to it now for the 5th or 6th time.  On the basis of the Howells disc I decided to buy the Dutton Sainsbury and Foulds Cello Concertos of a few years ago.  That too is a great buy.  It also caused me to listen again to the Sainsbury Violin Concerto several times and reassess my opinion of it - favourably.

I looked at the reviews of the Brian disc on the GMG forum and, based on the obvious joy Brian gives to others, decided to listen again to Brian downloads from the British Music Archive, namely what has been recorded by Dutton with a view to determining if I should purchase the Brian discs (I have the one with the Cello Concerto and I have the old Marco Polo recording of the Violin Concerto).  Unfortunately, based on what I have heard I do not share the enthusiasm for Brian that many others appear to have. I will persevere, however, and perhaps Brian will grow on me and I might be inclined then to purchase Brian on Dutton.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: jimfin on February 03, 2015, 01:30:41 am
Brian is very much a "Marmite" composer, and I know some people simply don't enjoy him. However, I would say that his music needs the very best in performance and recording quality to be appreciated (and unfortunately he has frequently failed to get that). The Dutton releases (past and present) of his music give it that chance, in my opinion. So does the recent Naxos release of nos. 22-24, but not all of their previous releases (some are better than others). You might enjoy the Bowen/Bush/Brian cello concertos Dutton CD if you don't want all Brian...


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: jimfin on February 03, 2015, 08:12:51 am
One small comment on the Arnold (really enjoyed the performances of the works) was I like the inclusion of the Field work that Arnold uses (abuses?) in his Fantasy. It's so convenient to be able to hear the original. After all, how often have we heard that piece by Tallis, Bridge, etc., famous treated by other composers?


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Dundonnell on February 17, 2015, 05:07:51 pm
Coming very late to this discussion, I know.

I must confess to a growing sense of disappointment with Dutton's releases-although I understand that commercial/financial considerations weigh very heavily with the company.

There is the diversification into music from continental Europe- no bad thing in itself of course but it does entail some diminution in the flow of neglected British music.

There also have been a number of releases recently of music left unfinished or simply sketched by the composer and completed by others-for example the early Bax Symphony, the Moeran 2nd and now the Howells Cello Concerto (of which, as has been said, two movements had already been recorded by Chandos). Again...interesting, even, arguably, worthwhile but......

And now....the release of the Malcolm Arnold No.7. This really is rather odd ::) There were already three cd versions of the Arnold 7th available (Handley on Conifer but also-and more easily accessible-Gamba on Chandos and Penney on Naxos-both fine performances). Companies and conductors may well wish to offer us alternative readings and lovers of Arnold's music may relish the opportunity to buy this new version....but does it really make good commercial sense ??? Maybe it does....what, after all, do I know about the economic realities of releasing classical repertoire on disc ;D  I do know however that I need to conserve my own financial resources to spend on music which has not previously been recorded rather than duplicate or triplicate a symphony I already have in my collection.

....and did I read correctly that Dutton are planning a release of the Britten and Delius Violin Concertos ??? Both works have been recorded several times before and it seems very strange for the company to wish to compete with established versions.

If the Stanley Bate Cello Concerto is in the offing then I shall most certainly buy it....but if it is coupled with the Bax Cello Concerto I shall regret Dutton's lack of enterprise.
There are still (despite the best efforts of Raphael Wallfisch and others) a number of British cello concertos lying unrecorded- those by Sir Lennox Berkeley, Arnold Cooke, William Wordsworth, Daniel Jones, Arthur Butterworth, Wilfred Josephs, to name but six.

I have been-and hope to remain-a good customer of Dutton and I do have huge admiration for its contribution to rescuing neglected British music. The recent release of the Havergal Brian Symphonies Nos. 5, 19 and 27 is-as they say-"in the best traditions of the house" but I wish............... (But then I know that I shall never be satisfied ;D)


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: calyptorhynchus on February 17, 2015, 09:21:19 pm
On the theme of music left unfinished by the composer (or in this case suppressed)... I really wish someone would record Tippett's early symphony in Bflat. It was suppressed by the composer and a biographer concurs with this saying the music is too indebted to Sibelius (as though that's a bad thing).

However with the movement to record every last scrap of juvenilia by Mozart, Beethoven &c I'm sure we could give the Tippett No.0 a try.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Jolly Roger on February 19, 2015, 01:38:13 pm
And I have an inside source!   :D  The product and shipping are without peer though.  It just takes patience.
still waiting for some Derek Bourgeois!!!


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: jimfin on February 27, 2015, 09:41:15 pm
Yep I'd go for Tippett infused with Silbelius sprinkled with Martin Yates


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: relm1 on March 03, 2015, 12:46:37 pm
And I have an inside source!   :D  The product and shipping are without peer though.  It just takes patience.
still waiting for some Derek Bourgeois!!!

You know, someone needs to write them a letter to remind them of Derek and his music.


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Toby Esterhase on March 03, 2015, 11:31:45 pm
And I have an inside source!   :D  The product and shipping are without peer though.  It just takes patience.
still waiting for some Derek Bourgeois!!!

You know, someone needs to write them a letter to remind them of Derek and his music.
Don't forget Wilfred Joseph or Norman Demuth!


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Jolly Roger on March 04, 2015, 09:26:40 pm
And I have an inside source!   :D  The product and shipping are without peer though.  It just takes patience.
still waiting for some Derek Bourgeois!!!

You know, someone needs to write them a letter to remind them of Derek and his music.
This neglect is inexcusable and must stop..
who do I write to at Dutton??


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: Dundonnell on March 05, 2015, 01:46:13 am
Lewis Foreman.

He gets LOTS of letters ;D


Title: Re: New Duttons for December...............
Post by: tapiola on March 05, 2015, 02:44:21 am
Lewis has nothing to do with funding.  Funding is  the problem, not willingness or desire.