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Lyatoshinsky's 3rd Symphony and Grazhyna on Chandos


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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2019, 12:31:33 am »

IMHO better Lyatoshinsky's Third cd is this:

Meanwhile more Chandos would be welcome.
I listened to both recordings today. The problem with the Gnedash performance IMHO is the shrill recording on Russian Disc. The performance is fine and has a rugged Ukrainian authenticity but I think that I'll be mainly listening to Karabits version, which is brilliantly recorded, has a more interesting coupling and includes the original finale.
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I agree that Russian Disc needs a good remastering and that Grazhyna is a more attractive coupling,but i don't think that "new" Finale is better.However now there is also:
http://klassichaus.us/Lyatoshinsky-Slavonic-Ov-Sym--No--1.php
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2019, 12:31:38 pm »

If I may reply, I purchased the Marco Polo set on first release from a classical music shop, the Longplayer in Canterbury. I have listened to them, particularly the 1st, on a regular basis ever since, and have a very large and varied collection, yet never tire of them. For me they are distinctive in the scoring of memorable melodies, and climaxes.

Comparisons are largely irrelevant but for me they have echoes of Rachmaninov's 1st Symphony, another of my all time favourites, plus perhaps Scriabin's 1st and 2nd Symphonies.
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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2019, 10:01:09 am »

I have all the symphonies and "Grazhyna" in the Marco Polo set. I would not normally duplicate such repertoire. Should I??
I don't think so Colin, I enjoyed all those recordings and, as you say,  you get Grazhyna as well coupled with Symphony 1.

You need to remember that I am an OCDCD nutter and have to have every recording of works I especially like, such as the Lyatoshynsky symphony. Actually I rather like the recording of symphonies 4 and 5 on CPO  Roll Eyes.
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2019, 10:03:57 am »

IMHO better Lyatoshinsky's Third cd is this:

Meanwhile more Chandos would be welcome.
I listened to both recordings today. The problem with the Gnedash performance IMHO is the shrill recording on Russian Disc. The performance is fine and has a rugged Ukrainian authenticity but I think that I'll be mainly listening to Karabits version, which is brilliantly recorded, has a more interesting coupling and includes the original finale.
Dear Vandermolen
I agree that Russian Disc needs a good remastering and that Grazhyna is a more attractive coupling,but i don't think that "new" Finale is better.However now there is also:
http://klassichaus.us/Lyatoshinsky-Slavonic-Ov-Sym--No--1.php
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Thank you Toby E. The third movement of the Karabits was on BBC Radio 3 'Record Review' this morning. I'm not sure that I prefer the original last movement either but was pleased to have the opportunity to hear it. I even like the Mravinsky version of No.3 which gets a bad press. For me the recording quality of the Karabits version is a key factor and I've been playing the CD a lot since obtaining it.
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2019, 01:46:30 pm »

Thank you, Jeffrey. It has always struck me that the Marco Polo versions, although the recording may be a trifle raw, are full of energy and commitment and the music makes very full impact.
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2019, 07:54:03 pm »

Thank you, Jeffrey. It has always struck me that the Marco Polo versions, although the recording may be a trifle raw, are full of energy and commitment and the music makes very full impact.


A pleasure Colin. One day it might be worth your hearing the new Karabits for the quality of sound but I don't see why you shouldn't be perfectly happy with those earlier Marco Polo/Naxos releases which were much better recorded than the ones which appeared on Russian Disc.
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2019, 03:16:17 pm »

I bought the Karabits "album" (3rd Symphony and Grazhyna) on Apple's Itunes, but the files are corrupted - they have no sound content!  Has anyone else had this issue?!
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2019, 07:21:33 am »

I bought the Karabits "album" (3rd Symphony and Grazhyna) on Apple's Itunes, but the files are corrupted - they have no sound content!  Has anyone else had this issue?!

No, but I wouldn't touch Apple's Itunes with the bargepole I keep specially for not touching things with.
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2019, 10:47:53 am »

I bought the Karabits "album" (3rd Symphony and Grazhyna) on Apple's Itunes, but the files are corrupted - they have no sound content!  Has anyone else had this issue?!

No, but I wouldn't touch Apple's Itunes with the bargepole I keep specially for not touching things with.


Oh, how come?  Is the quality bad?
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2019, 08:58:43 pm »

I still wonder about the remark "Sense of adventure" = "No sales".

I would have thought the first recording of a work would have at the very least have compelled all significant libraries worldwide to obtain a copy +curious collectors+ sufficiently well marketed duped general classically interested public.

Would love to know the economics here. How many sales are we talking about vs cost of production etc.?

I also still wonder about the choice of Lyatoshinsky No. 3 (recorded several times) in a shinier new edition vs something new no matter what the merits of the work in question. To make it commercial simply link it to the major figures of the era Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Weinberg etc and the drama of their times. Doesn't that draw people in? My list of composers was very much linked to that.

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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2019, 10:54:27 pm »

I bought the Karabits "album" (3rd Symphony and Grazhyna) on Apple's Itunes, but the files are corrupted - they have no sound content!  Has anyone else had this issue?!

No, but I wouldn't touch Apple's Itunes with the bargepole I keep specially for not touching things with.


Oh, how come?  Is the quality bad?

If I'm going to BUY something, I want as physical CD that I have for ever. Otherwise I'll use a subscription service.
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2019, 11:55:16 am »

I bought the Karabits "album" (3rd Symphony and Grazhyna) on Apple's Itunes, but the files are corrupted - they have no sound content!  Has anyone else had this issue?!

No, but I wouldn't touch Apple's Itunes with the bargepole I keep specially for not touching things with.


Oh, how come?  Is the quality bad?

If I'm going to BUY something, I want as physical CD that I have for ever. Otherwise I'll use a subscription service.

I used to be the same.  2000 CDs later I am now wishing I had the free space!

So anyway, Apple has confirmed to me that the album as released to them lacks any sound.  They have alerted their engineering team who in turn have let the record label know.  Bizarre that something as fundamental as this wouldn't have been checked prior to release...! Anyway, they have refunded me.  They can't give a date for when ("or if") the record label will correct the album.

So if anyone else had had issues with this album as purchased on Itunes, this is why.
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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2019, 07:38:44 pm »

Yes, I have piles of CDs as well, and I'm trying not to buy more. But streaming all the Lyatoshinsky symphonies off Spotify or Idagio is much better value, IMO.
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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2019, 10:53:08 am »

I bought the Karabits "album" (3rd Symphony and Grazhyna) on Apple's Itunes, but the files are corrupted - they have no sound content!  Has anyone else had this issue?!

No, but I wouldn't touch Apple's Itunes with the bargepole I keep specially for not touching things with.


Oh, how come?  Is the quality bad?

If I'm going to BUY something, I want as physical CD that I have for ever. Otherwise I'll use a subscription service.
Same here although recently I've taken to downloading symphonies not available on CD and then burning them so that I have a hard copy, as in the case of Shchedrin's great First Symphony conducted by Anosov.
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2019, 01:11:53 pm »

If you want SACD quality Spotify is cryogenics; that's why I still buy (SA)CD's. What resolution does Idago offer? 320kb?
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