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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2019, 07:34:03 am »

this is probably my favorite reference for general information.
https://www.amazon.com/Classical-Music-Essential-Listening-Companion/dp/0879306386/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=the+3rd+ear&qid=1560061935&s=books&sr=1-8
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2019, 05:52:31 pm »

has anyone purchased this one?

Certainly not, considering who the author is - a persistent internet troll.
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2019, 01:18:05 am »

has anyone purchased this one?

Certainly not, considering who the author is - a persistent internet troll.

What are you talking about?  An utterly gratuitous judgment it seems to me.

Prone as you are to making dogmatic statements without any justification, why not elaborate what you have against this individual?
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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2019, 01:51:07 am »


Hugely enjoyable as I found the "Third Ear Guide" when it first came out 20+ years ago, the coverage is annoyingly inconsistent and the musical judgments often disagreeable to me.
The Mahler and (especially) Bruckner sections are extremely sketchy and slipshod, for example, and so many other composers that one wishes for a much fuller treatment of are shortchanged and not given the range of consideration their stature truly deserves.  It's apparent many of the authors dashed off their commissions without sufficient knowledge of and exposure to the recordings landscape they were charged with describing, and the critical evaluations are often too glib or overly dogmatic.  Noticeable biases become evident also, with these exclusively American critics tending to favour American composers and American (or at least American based) conductors and Orchestras (just as the Penguin & Good CD Guides do with the English).  All inevitable in a compilation like this, I suppose.  It is entertaining though, but also out of date by now, as any even more recent print handbooks of this type would be almost as soon as they were issued, - the new releases come so fast and furious.  
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2019, 10:36:40 pm »


Prone as you are to making dogmatic statements without any justification, why not elaborate what you have against this individual?

Try keeping a civil tongue in your head, We don;t have to tolerate your behaviour here, and you are heading for a ban..
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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2019, 12:42:29 am »

I am very sorry that immediately prior to and during my recent week-long enforced absence from the forum there have been some "heated exchanges". I also accept my own responsibility for contributing in my personal capacity to some of that "heat".

This forum has a relatively small membership. The percentage of that membership which contributes through posts is obviously very much smaller. We depend on those contributions, whether regular or occasional, for the survival of the forum. Otherwise, to put it bluntly, it will die.

The duties of Administration have largely devolved on one person over the last few months. Latvian has not been able to visit the forum at all over the past month- for entirely understandable personal reasons relating to his worklife!

It is becoming very evident to me that trying to maintain a dual role here as both an "impartial moderator" and as a member with his own views and perspectives is increasingly difficult.

However, I am willing to continue to do what I can to assist in sustaining a forum which I value, appreciate and enjoy.

It would be helpful if we all-and I DO include myself in this-attempt to remember that calm, good manners, an appreciation of the feelings of other members should underpin our discourse. If members, and again I include myself, make remarks about others which are, or are perceived to be, rude or offensive then the outcomes are inevitable. I am asked to ban members. Members simply stop posting at all. Members voluntarily leave.

I could adopt a draconian attitude and start throwing members out. I have tried to avoid this unless absolutely necessary (the number is less than the fingers of one hand!). I do NOT want to become such an administrator. Indeed I would not be such an administrator.

Can I therefore plead for a greater measure of calm and for a recognition by all of the need for views to be expressed with moderation, tact and good humour?
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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2019, 05:56:47 pm »

I am entirely in favour of amicable discussion.
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