Message #29427

[Balapoel]

Somewhat related - a post I made in the forum that shall not be named.

Here I think we have an opportunity to uncover some gems. Many composers wrote symphonies before their 'No. 1'. Based on the few I've heard, they may be very insightful for changes in composer styles (e.g., Dohnanyi, early Strauss symphonies in d minor and f minor) as well as compelling works in their own right.

Sterndale Bennett
Symphony in Bb, Woo 20 (1832, 16 yrs old)
Symphony in d minor, WoO 23 (1833, 17 yrs)
Symphony in A, WoO 28 (1834, 18 yrs)
Symphony in b minor (abandoned?) (1838, 22 yrs)

Berwald
Symphony in A (1820, 24 yrs) available

Dohnanyi
Symphony in F (1896, 19 yrs) avail

Draeseke
Symphony in C (lost) (1856)

Eberl
Symphony in D, WoO 5 (1783, 18 yrs)
Symphony in G, WoO 6 (1784, 19 yrs)

Elgar
Symphony (1878, 21 yrs)

Enescu
Study Symphonies 1-4 (d, F, F, Eb) (1895-8, 14-17 yrs), only 1 and 4 are available

I'll put a plug here for Faure's 2 efforts (even though they're not 'youth')
Symphony No. 1 in F (1865–74) (Allegro, Andante, Gavotte, Finale), 1st movt pubd as Allegro symphonique, op.68, arr. pf 4 hands, L. Boëllmann (1895), movts 1–3 in MS, arr. str, org
Symphony No. 2 in d minor (1884) (Allegro deciso, Andante, Final), MS destroyed except for 1st vn part, themes of movts 1–2 revised in sonatas opp.108–9

Fibich
Symphony in Eb (score lost, quartet score survives) (1865, 15 yrs)
Symphony in g minor (lost except for incipits, piano 4-hand arr. Of scherzo, revised version of finale) (1866, 16 yrs)

Franck, Cesar
Symphony in G (1836-1841, lost, 19 yrs)

Franck, Eduard
Symphonies in a, g, Bb (29-41 years -not youthful, but his earliest published symphonies were 25 years later)

Fuchs (again, 10+ years earlier than his first published symphonies)
Symphony in b minor (1868, 21 yrs)
Symphony in g minor (1872, 25 yrs)

Furtwangler
Symphony in D major (1st movement: Allegro) (1902, 16 yrs)
Symphony in b minor (Largo movement) (1908; revised in 1941 as first movement of Symphony No. 1, 22 years old) Symphony 1 was published 33 years later

Goldmark
Symphony in C major (1858-60), manuscript (only Scherzo in e survives; see op. 19)

Gouvy
There is a Symphony in b minor (between Nos. 2 and 3) that for some reason was never published (1849, 30 yrs)

Hamerik
Symphony in c minor, Op.3 (lost), 1860, 17 yrs

Hartmann, Emil (3 symphonies not numbered, before No. 1)
Symphony in d minor, Op. 6 (1866, 30 yrs)
Symphony in e minor, Op. 9 (1867, 31 yrs)
Symphony in Bb (1871, 35 yrs)

Herzogenberg (lots here All these before the two numbered symphonies)
Symphony in d minor, WoO 1 (1866, 23)
Symphony in e minor, WoO 2 (1871?, 28)
Symphony in F, WoO 25 (1871, 21)
Symphony in d minor 'Odysseus', Op. 16 (1873)
Symphony, WoO 28 (1875, 32)
Symphony in c minor WoO 29 (1878 35)

Hiller
2 Symphonies  (1829, 1834, about 20 years+ before No. 1)

Klughardt
Symphony in C, 1865, lost? (18 yrs)
Waldleben, symphony, 1871, lost? (24 yrs)

Mahler
Symphony No. A 'Conservatory' (1876, 16 yrs)
Symphony No. B 'Nordic (1879-1882, 22 yrs)
Symphony No. C. in a minor (1882-1883, 23 yrs)
Symphonies No. D-G (1886-1888, 28 yrs)

Raff
Symphony in e minor (Allegro appassionato, Andante, March, Scherzo, Fugue) - nos 3 and 4 reused as 5 and 4 in Orchestral Suite No. 1, Op. 101 (1854, 32 yrs)

Reinecke
Symphony in G (apparently withdrawn), before 1850, 26 yrs

Rheinberger
Symphony in D, JWV 41 (1855, 16 yrs)
Symphony in c minor, JWV 76 (1857, 18 yrs)
Symphony in C (or c minor), JWV 81 (1857, 18 yrs)

Rimsky-Korsakov
Symphony in b minor (sketches, including scherzo in Eb in 5/4 time) (1869, 25 yrs)

Romberg, Andreas
Symphony in F (1785, 18 yrs)
Symphony in G (1788, 21 yrs (lost)
Symphony in Eb (1788, 21 yrs (lost)
Symphony in F (1788, 21 yrs)
Symphony in D (finale incomplete), 1792, 25 yrs

Saint-Saens
Symphony in Bb, R154 (1848, 13 yrs) (incomplete)
Symphony in A (1850, 15 yrs) (available)
Symphony in D, R15 (1850, 15 yrs)
Symphony in A, R. 159 (1850) (includes Scherzo, R. 156, and fragment of first movement, R. 158)
Symphony in c minor (1854) fragment, later reused in Piano Concerto No. 4)

Schumann, Robert
Symphony in c minor, Anh. A1 (1830, 20 yrs) (fragment; based on Piano Quartet, Anh. E1, 1828-9) (Allegro 13T, 2 mov 36T, 4 mov 68T)
Symphony in Eb, Anh. A2 'Hamlet' (1830-2) (sketches, incorporated into Symphony in g)
Symphony in g minor (Zwickau), Anh. A3 (unfinished, 2 movements complete, with sketches for 3rd and 4th; originally Op. 7) (available)
Symphony in c minor, Anh. A5/6 [Sinfonia solemnis' (sketches for 2 movements) (1 Andante - Allegro agitato 151T; 2 Allegro con brio 152 T; 3 Scherzo 161T; 4 Adagio 39T; 5 Rondo 239T)

Wetz
Symphony in d minor (originally Op. 8, but only Scherzo is given that number now) (1900, 25 yrs)

Zemlinsky
Symphony in e minor (1891, two surviving movements only) (1891, 20 yrs)


edit: added Huber
Symphony in Eb (incomplete, 1870-1877, 25 yrs)
Symphony in A (originally 2nd Symphony, but withdrawn)   1889, 37 yrs