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« on: June 04, 2009, 11:11:30 am »

A few questions about "atonality":

What is it?

Does it exist in the mind of the composer - who is free to ignore tonal relationships as he composes?

Does it then necessarily also exist in the mind of the listener, or is he allowed to perceive tonal relationships while listening to an "atonal" piece?

Does it exist at all?

Does atonality - if it exists - necessitate any particular scale or system of temperament?

Why did Schönberg himself reject the word "atonality"? And why, despite that, do critics persist in ascribing that quality to many of his works?

What is "pan-tonality"?

Can members cite any favourite examples of atonality?
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2009, 02:21:22 pm »

Rather simplistically, I should answer as follows...

A few questions about "atonality":

What is it?

Basically it is music that proceeds in a manner whereby it maintains no loyalty whatsoever to a particular tonic. This will require, for instance, the abandonment of harmony that is what might be termed "functional" (in the traditional sense).

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Does it exist in the mind of the composer - who is free to ignore tonal relationships as he composes?

It is more likely that composers providing such examples are working completely outside conventional harmonic idioms, and thereby never conceptualize their output in terms of these. In that sense they are not actively avoiding tonality, but rather simply not thinking of it.

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Does it then necessarily also exist in the mind of the listener, or is he allowed to perceive tonal relationships while listening to an "atonal" piece?

If the piece is truly atonal one must suppose that there will not in fact be any tonal relationships to be perceived by the listener. (If there are, then it cannot be "atonal".) But there can surely never be any restrictions (or censorship) imposed upon listeners who are, of course, entirely free always to listen to the music in their own way.

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Does it exist at all?

Certainly!

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Does atonality - if it exists - necessitate any particular scale or system of temperament?

Since the varying examples of tonality that arose over many centuries required differing temperaments and scale systems, it must be supposed that the absence of tonality thereby removes altogether the need for these. In fact most atonalists simply accept the 12-tone Equally Tempered scale (probably simply because that was the one they inherited). But some did not, and asked for different tuning systems, ranging from purely attuned intervals throughout to the use of microtones. Their use of these however was non-tonal ("atonal") and supposedly more concerned with colours and textures.

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Why did Schönberg himself reject the word "atonality"? And why, despite that, do critics persist in ascribing that quality to many of his works?

Because (probably for pedantic reasons) he applied the term "tonal" to music that employed the interval of a tone - rather than to music that, in employing tones, did so in a manner that placed their use in direct relationship to a key centre. The term "tone" has always been ambiguous throughout the history of music theory, and even very early theorists often found it necessary to explain that they were using the term tonus variously as "mode", "melody", and "discrete interval with the ratio 9/8". It later also became adopted (especially in the US) to mean simply "note". So these ambiguities were helpful to Schönberg in rejecting a term that might otherwise have implied that something was now lacking from his music (instead of a novelty and innovation having been added).

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What is "pan-tonality"?

Pan-tonality is, it seems to me, just a particular kind of 'atonality' wherein the absence of loyalty to a particular key arises not (as in other types) by the absence of key as such, but rather rejects the idea of 'home key' by freely and at will moving through many keys and thereby preserving an overall sense of rhapsodic 'tonal instability'.

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Can members cite any favourite examples of atonality?

I have no particular favourite example of any of the above to cite (although I have experienced a wide range of different examples)
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2009, 03:09:08 pm »

Thanks to member Paul for that comprehensive response! I was particularly interested in his answer to the question about "scales" in connection with atonality because of something Eaglefield Hull (the author of course of that profound study of Scryabine's music) wrote. He drew a number of distinctions, the first between:

a) the pure unequal tuning, and
b) the equal temperamental tuning.

Let me quote him in extenso: "By far the most revolutionary of all the modern traits in music is the complete acceptance of the equal temperamental tuning with all that it entails. Hitherto, notwithstanding the fact that the semitone is a practical and not a theoretical one, the whole system of harmony and melody has been built largely upon the basis of the pure unequal tuning.

"Even with the equal tuning such a course is really neither unscientific nor unnatural. Does not the mathematician have to be content with his unending decimal, and the trigonometrist with his unsquared circle? The acoustical discrepancies of the 'equal temperament' are so very slight that even Nature herself makes no bother about them. One only of a hundred various experients will prove this. Take the most troublesome note of the 'equal tuning' on the pianoforte. Press the middle F-sharp down silently, then strike a low D rather sharply, and the F-sharp will at once automatically respond in sympathetic vibration.

"The outcome of all this is the ability to hear, think, and write freely in either of these opposing systems, and it is a curious fact that composers who avowedly bind themselves to using one temperament entirely, are constantly thinking and writing in the other. It has always been, and probably always will be so with composers and listeners alike, and the musical art is immensely enriched thereby.

"To return to the scales, the reader must carefully distinguish between the older 'chromatic' scale and the 'new semitonal' one. Both, of course, divide the octave into twelve steps, but the older view assumes that the chromatic notes are only of secondary importance to the diatonic ones, from which, indeed, those are derived. In the words of Professor Niecks, 'the so-called chromatic scale is not a mode, the chromatic notes being only modifications of diatonic notes.' The 'new semitonal,' or 'duodecuple' scale, thrusts this idea aside altogether. The followers of the older system exercise considerable care with their notation, whereas a duodecuple scale composer might prefer . . . a more promiscuous use of sharp or flat."

And now comes his second distinction:

"There are two ways of using the new duodecuple principle:

a) The autocracy of a chosen Tonic, or
b) The abolition of any tonal centre, - a veritable note-communism.

"The first admits the predominance of the Tonic - in other words, a fixed tonality. The second throws even the tonic overboard. The first appeals to the intelligence for the retention in the mind of a tonal centre; the second, to the senses only, being a question of the perception of absolute pitch, or else the vaguest kind of impressions possible. The first is capable of endless expansion and development, the second is merely a cul de sac, and useful only in very limited ways. The abolition of key-signature is optional with the first style, but compulsory with the second."

As an example of the first duodecuple way he quotes (among much else) a passage from Sibelius's Fourth Symphony. Of the second duodecuple way he writes that it means:

"a) a deliberate suspension, or at any rate an intentional obscuring of the tonality for a time - e.g. in Mozart's C major quartette;

b) the discarding of almost all appeal save the purely physical and sensuous one; or

c) the conveyance of ideas of a very hazy and nebulous type;"

and as an example he quotes Schönberg's piano pieces opus 11 (often described as the first examples of "atonal" music).

What I find particularly striking in all this are his points b and c, and his description of this "note-communism" as a mere - and limited - cul de sac.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 12:47:46 pm »

Just to make my last point perfectly clear here: whereas it is customary to-day to see the abolition of tonality in music as an advance - in the direction of "additional freedom," Hull on the other hand strikingly sees it as a removal or subtraction of something not an addition. Like so much in this world, one and the same phenomenon can be regarded in two entirely different lights!
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