Symphonies between Beethoven's 9th and Brahms' 1st

[Balapoel]

Some of you might know about Chris Fifield's book on German symphonies between Beethoven and Brahms (2015). It's a great read, but of course, he could only explore a few symphonies. Here's a list of symphonies (incomplete, but perhaps interesting) for those composers who produced symphonies between these dates (1824-1876). Far from being a symphonic wasteland, there are really great innovative symphonies produced during this period.

The one's available to hear (in one form or another) are in blue.

1824   Arriaga, Beethoven 9, Clementi 4, Krommer 7, Kuffner 4-6, Mendelssohn 1

1825   Czerny 3, Kalivoda 1, Kuffner 7, Romberg 3

1826   Schubert 9, Potter 3, Potter 4

1827   Kalivoda 2

1828   Lachner 1, Schubert 10, Spohr 3, Macfarren 1, Potter 5

1829   Dobrzynski 1, Hiller 1, Krommer 9, Moscheles, Balfe

1830   Alyabiev 3, Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique, Kalivoda 3, Onslow 1, Nowakowski 1

1831   Dobrzynski 2, Onslow 2, Lindblad 1, Macfarren 2

1832   Bennett Bb, Mendelssohn 5, Wagner 1, Macfarren 3, Potter 6, Loewe 2

1833   Bennett d, Burgmuller 1, Lachner 2, Schumann g, Mendelssohn 3, Macfarren 4-5, Potter 7

1834   Bennett A, Berlioz Herold in Italy, Glinka, Hiller 2, Lachner 3-4, Onslow 3, Mechura 1, Rufinatscha 1, Wagner 2, Potter 8-9

1835   Burgmuller 2, Hartmann 1, Kalivoda 4, Lachner 5, Ries 7, Spohr 4, Wartensee 2, Heinrich Eroica

1836   Bennett g, Macfarren 6, Wilms 7

1837   David 1, Kittl 1, Heinrich The Columbiad, Hunters of Kentucky, Reissiger 1, Lachner 6

1838   Spohr 5, David 2, Kittl 2

1839   Berlioz Romeo et Juliette, Mechura 2

1840   Berlioz Symphonie funebre et triomphale, Kalivoda 5, Mendelssohn 2, Rufinatscha 2, Macfarren 7, Spohr 6, Brzowski

1841   Schumann 1, 4, Kalivoda 7, David 3, Verhulst

1842   Farrenc 1, Kittl 3, Mendelssohn 3, Berwald 1, 2, Gade 1, Spohr 7

1843   Gade 2, Kalivoda 6, Reitz 1, Ellerton 1

1844   Alkan b, Staehle, David Le Desert, Horsley, Nowakowski 2, Mosonyi 1

1845   Berwald 3, 4, Czerny 5, Macfarren 8, Farrenc 2, Gouvy 1, Heinrich Manitou mysteries, Indian carnival, empress queen, mastodon, to the spirit of beethoven, schiller, Ellerton 2, Nagiller 1

1846   Schumann 2, Gade 3, Onslow 4, David Cristophe Colomb, Reitz 2, Rufinatscha 3, Rufinatscha 4

1847   Farrenc 3, Spohr 10, Josephson, Heinrich Ornithological combat of kings, tomb of genius, Mayer 1-2, Taubert 2, Rubenson, Josephson

1848   Hartmann 2, Gouvy 2, Wartensee 3, Bristow 1

1849   David 4

1850   Alyabiev 4, Schumann 3, Gade 4, Rubinstein 1, Saint-Saens A, Spohr 9, Gouvy 3, Mayer 3

1851   Czerny 1, 2, Lachner 8, Rubinstein 2, Mayer 4, Taubert 3

1852   Abert 1, Mayer 5, Gade 5, Fry Breaking Heart, Hiller 3

1853   Dietrich 1, Saint-Saens 1, Fry Christmas, Mayer 6

1854   Czerny 6, Gounod 1, Abert 2, Heinrich Bohemia, Fry Niagara

1855   Lindblad 2, Reitz 3, Rheinberger D, Rubinstein 3, Gouvy 4

1856   Abert 3, Gounod 2, Liszt Dante, Bristow 2, Bizet C, Norman 1, Saint-Saens F, Mayer 7, Mosonyi 2

1857   Gade 6, Liszt Faust, Mayer 8, Heinrich Migration of American Wild Passenger Pigeons, Spohr 8, Rheinberger c, C, Ellerton 3-4, Taubert 4

1858   Boito a, Hnilicka 1, Kittl 4, Bagge, Ellerton 5-6, Hnlicka 1

1859   Saint-Saens 2, Hnilicka 2, Mechura 3, Veit e, Bristow f#, Hnlicka 2

1860   

1861   Jadassohn 1, Napravnik 1, Raff 1, Winter-Hjelm 1

1862   Mechura 4, Winter-Hjelm 2

1863   Bruckner f, Volkmann 1, Hol 1, Alice Smith 1, Paladilhe 1, Fetis 1, Fetis 2

1864   Bennett g, Bruckner 0, Grieg c, Mechura 5, Paladilhe 2, Barnett

1865   Gade 7, Dvorak 1, 2, Hiller 4, Jadassohn 2, Mechura 6, Rimsky-Korsakov 1, Rufinatscha 5, Volkmann 2, Castillon F, Abert 4

1866   Balakirev 1, Bargiel, Raff 2, Bruckner 1, Herzogenberg d, Rheinberger 1, Tchaikovsky 1, Emil Hartmann d, Hol 2, Sullivan, Krug 1

1867   Borodin 1, Stolpe, Svendsen 1, Emil Hartmann e

1868   Bizet Roma, Heise, Rimsky-Korsakov 2, Gouvy 5

1869   Cowen 1, Dietrich 2, Raff 3, Andree 1, Stephanescu, Vierling, Lysenko

1870   Bruch 1, 2, Reinecke 1, Widor 1, Abert 5

1871   Gade 8, Raff 4, Norman 2, Emil Hartmann Bb

1872   Bristow 4, D'Indy 1, Catalani 1, Cowen 2, Draeseke 1, Raff 5, Bruckner 2, Tchaikovsky 2, Bystrom d, Breton 1, Rontgen 1

1873   Raff 6, Bruckner 3, Dvorak 3, Goetz, Herzogenberg 1 Odysseus, Klughardt 1, Napravnik 2, Prout 1

1874   Benedict 1, Bruckner 4, Catalani 2, 3, Dvorak 4, Faure d, Godard 1, Rimsky-Korsakov 3, Napravnik 3, Rubinstein 4, Taneyev 1, Macfarren 9, Olsen G, Matthay a, Hofmann

1875   Fibich 1, Gernsheim 1, Raff 7, Dvorak 5, Tchaikovsky 3, Paine 1, Noskowski 1, Reinecke 2, Rheinberger 2, D'Indy Jean Hundaye, Rontgen 2, Messager, Rauchenecker 1

1876   Benedict 2, Bruckner 5, Borodin 2, Brahms 1, Draeseke 2, Goldmark 1, Jadassohn 3, Klughardt 2, Raff 8, 11, Stanford 1, Svendsen 2, Prout 2, Alice Smith 2, Krug 2

[shamus]

Very interesting! Now if we could just get all the ones in black to turn to blue!!

[Balapoel]

Yeah. However, some of them are (apparently) lost, like Rontgen's first two symphonies. His other symphonies are great and each are individual, if you haven't sampled them.

[guest128]

Seeing things presented this way and having heard most of the recorded works makes me realize how likely right the judgments of history have been in regards to the period, - or at least how much less rewarding discovering the unsung among this group has been for me personally than those of later times.

By and large the standard repertoire works do indeed tower over the lesser known, and it's unlikely I could name more than a dozen among the obscure I will probably ever listen to again (included would be Gade 1&4, Svendsen, Berwald's Singuliere, Balakirev 1, Rimsky's "Antar", Raff 3&5, Gernsheim, perhaps Dietrich, maybe Bruch, - but not much more).

Curious as to what would be on others' "short list" in this regard.

[Balapoel]

Seeing things presented this way and having heard most of the recorded works makes me realize how likely right the judgments of history have been in regards to the period, - or at least how much less rewarding discovering the unsung among this group has been for me personally than that of more contemporary times.

Curious as to what would be on others' "short list" in this regard.

I would respectfully disagree, but to each his own. My personal favorites among this list are (in no particular order):
all of Cipriani Potter's, Czerny's, Tchaikovsky's (his first two symphonies are excellent), and Borodin's symphonies
Schubert 9 and 10 (of course)
Burgmuller 1
Ries's earlier symphonies
Farrenc 1 and 3
a few of Rufinatscha's - particularly No. 3 (very energetic)

Other's are more acquired tastes, like Spohr's efforts. There are certainly weak ones, like Jadassohn, Lindblad, Rubinstein, etc., but I wouldn't consider them the norm. As with any period there are stellar, memorable works, average works, and derivative works.

And there are many I haven't heard - but I'm eager to evaluate them, particularly Napravnik, Mechura, Cowen's unrecorded symphonies

And just a plug for what I've been listening to today - Guy Ropartz (while writing after this period) has consistently high quality to his symphonies - emotionally interesting, well-structured, uniquely voiced, fresh.

[oldfezzi]

Could someone point us to the recordings of Potter 4 and Dietrich 2, please?  I can't seem to find them.

[Balapoel]

Dietrich Symphony No. 2 in d minor, Op. 20 (1869) is the one you probably know as No. 1.
Here's one: CPO (with Violin concerto)
http://www.amazon.com/Dietrich-Symphony-Concerto-Introduction-Romance/dp/B001GVA7GY

Actually, Dietrich composed another symphony (his No. 1) in 1853. It apparently is now lost.

Cipriani Potter's Symphony No. 4 in F (1826) (aka No. 7)
Symphony in F (1826) [with Sterndale Bennett G minor Symphony, Op.43] (Czech Chamber PO/ Douglas Bostock) ClassicO CLASSCD634 [also deleted, though copies are still obtainable]

[oldfezzi]

Ah so.  Thanks.  I have them under their "other" names..... 8)

[Elroel]

The following ones can changed from black to blue:

Bizet 'Roma' (came on an lp in 1970s (On the lp named as Suite No.3, but the same work)
Klughardt 2 'Lenore'
Lachner 6
Stephanescu, in D  more than once relayed on Romanian Radio
Winter-Hjelm 2

[Balapoel]

Thanks for the comments.

Roma was already Blue.

Klughardt 2 (Symphony No. 2 in f minor, Op. 34 (1876)) is unrecordd. Lenore refers to Symphony No. 1 in d minor 'Lenore', Op. 27 (1873) is listed as blue.

The only recorded Lachner symphonies I'm aware of are: No 1 in Eb (op 32), No 5 in c minor (op 52), and 8 in g minor (op 100). No. 6 in D, Op 56 (1837) is unrecorded as far as I know. Do you have a recording in mind.

For Winter-Hjelm, I listed 1 (in Bb (1861) as recorded (it's not) and 2 (in b minor (1862)) as unrecorded. I've fixed the gaffe.

I've changed Stephanescu (thanks).