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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2012, 06:29:11 pm »

When I joined this forum I had a quick scan of the membership list and found a familiar name-a member with whom I had crossed swords on yet another forum because he thought my tastes were "too conservative" Grin Grin

Oh.....the irony Grin Grin Grin Grin

(Actually he hasn't been on here for 3 years so I am-probably-safe Grin Grin)

But I DO so much agree about civility and good manners. Just because I wouldn't go on holiday with Harrison Birtwistle doesn't mean that his music is not worth listening to and loving/appreciating if that is your taste. And YOUR taste is no more valid/justifiable/....call it what you will than is mine Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2012, 06:32:03 pm »

These ideals are patently well worth subscribing to, and I'm sure that we can all respect and embrace them without question - many thanks for welcoming so many 'refugees' in need of succour ...

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A piece is worth your attention, and is itself for you praiseworthy, if it makes you feel you have not wasted your time over it. (SG, 1922)
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2012, 10:52:07 am »

. . . Hopefully everything should work pretty much as before - please let me know if there are any problems: I've spent the day moving files around and creating brand-new folders so it is entirely within the bounds of possibility that one or two items may have erred and strayed ...

Many thanks to Albion for indexing that magnificent collection! At the end of his first post I see two lines: "The Music" and "The Catalogue". The link on the first line leads to an index to the above-mentioned magnificent collection, and it works very well. I will spend many pleasant hours exploring it (and I have a few bits and pieces I will contribute to it). But the link on the second line leads to a display of 51 separate pages, each of which is blank! What should those pages contain, and have you any idea of what has gone wrong? I use the FireFox browser. Does it require some separate application?
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Appreciative, or investigatory, that is the question . . .
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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2012, 10:59:03 am »

Hi Gerard - I've just checked and all the catalogue information is there (as a Word document), but sometimes the pages take a long time to load and display.

Try downloading the document (green button on the right) and then opening it on your own computer.

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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2012, 07:25:35 pm »


Absolutely delighted to see the British and Irish music folder here.  Such a treasure trove of musical delights.  A great deal of time and effort went into making the folder possible.  A big thank you to Albion (John) for his prodigous efforts and for all who contributed to it.

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« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2012, 12:11:12 am »

So glad to find this here! For a while I was worried all this wonderful music was lost for ever after it disappeared from the "other place", so it's a relief to stumble across this site. I have many hours of happy listening to look forward to  Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2012, 10:36:44 am »

It was such a relief to find Albion's superb catalogue relocated to this site. This collection is of such importance and I hope many more people will enjoy what it has to offer. When I initially encountered the catalogue on UC I was delighted to find so much Daniel Jones. As his birth centenary this year has so far been snubbed by R3 I could enjoy works I haven't heard before and was unlikely to ever come across again.
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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2012, 11:45:31 am »

I've just noticed that Daniel Jones' cello concerto will be performed in St Asaph Cathedral on 29 Sep by Paul Watkins and the BBC National Orchestra of Wales - hopefully it will be broadcast on R3!

http://www.nwimf.com/whats_on/artists2012.html?tpm=1_12
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2012, 10:13:44 am »

I've been listening to the clips of Havergal Brian's opera FAUST kindly uploaded by member MVS.

Just a question on an informational point - do we know why Brian wrote the work in German? Yes, obviously it's by Goethe, but few other composers (except, ehem, Rufus Wainwright and Philip Glass) have felt obliged to write operas in languages utterly alien to their audiences?  I'm afraid I found something slightly daft in hearing British singers performing British music in a British performance... in German?  Huh  It seems to me Brian only created further hurdles for ever getting this piece staged?
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2012, 01:14:16 pm »

I've known the prologue for years,from an 'off air' cassette,and I like it. It's very well sung,anyway! As to the the practicality of an English composer setting an opera in German. Let's bear in mind this is a bloke who composes the largest symphony ever composed & then thinks 'Oh dear,I can't get it performed!!! Huh Grin
(Just in case I upset any Havergal Brian admirers,I do like his music & post regularly on the GMG's HB thread)
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2012, 02:47:32 pm »

Brian certainly composed as he felt like, rather than to order. I suppose the only justification for using German for 'Faust' and 'Turandot' could be that it is the original language of the plays set. Though he didn't attempt 'Agamemnon' in Greek.

Perhaps even odder is D'Erlanger's "Tess", a British subject by a (more or less) British composer set in Italian! Or the way Covent Garden used to sing Wagner in Italian.
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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2012, 04:59:12 pm »

Sorry if I am being pedantic but the download of the "World Requiem" is surely the same radio broadcast recorded by Chandos and issued by them as a cd Huh Huh
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2012, 06:44:33 pm »

Hmm . . . I would like to be sure of the rules here. . . . Isn't there - as I had imagined - a big difference between on the one hand a CD made later from (some of) what was primarily a publicly broadcast event, and on the other hand a broadcast of something that is primarily created as a CD? In the first case, does the creator of the CD somehow retrospectively acquire rights over tapes people may have quite legitimately made from the broadcast before the CD existed?
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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2012, 08:12:40 pm »

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Hmm . . . I would like to be sure of the rules here. . . . Isn't there - as I had imagined - a big difference between on the one hand a CD made later from (some of) what was primarily a publicly broadcast event, and on the other hand a broadcast of something that is primarily created as a CD? In the first case, does the creator of the CD somehow retrospectively acquire rights over tapes people may have quite legitimately made from the broadcast before the CD existed?

In the case of works such as Foulds' World Requiem, or Brian's Gothic Symphony, where the works were recorded in performance as they were being broadcast, copyright most certainly applies, in this case to Chandos. A contract was made with the concerts' organizers to professionally record the events for eventual release. We are entitled to retain our off-air recordings for private listening, but not sharing, since they were public broadcasts. But Chandos now has the exclusive right to sell their recording of this event. Even if we don't share them for profit, our sharing still potentially impacts Chandos' profits in the same was as sharing any commercial CD impacts its rights holder.
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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2012, 02:34:06 am »

Many thanks to Latvian for that important elucidation!

The workings of "profit" and "business" have always been a mystery to me; but in the present age we are obliged to live under the unequal capitalistic yoke as best we can. I have the feeling though that great changes are at last imminent, now that the very ice-caps are melting and the sea-level is likely to rise by twenty-four feet in a few years' time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_ice_sheet

I intend soon to start a wide-ranging discussion of these questions in the "Books and Writing" category, about Shaw's "Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism and Capitalism."
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