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« on: October 07, 2013, 11:15:39 pm »

Let me first of all, upfront, state quite emphatically that I only download music from You Tube if it is NOT available on commercial cd Smiley

Determined to try to broaden my horizons just a little Grin, I discovered Robin Holloway's Fifth Concerto for Orchestra on YT. I decided to download it...only to find that my trusted programme-Free You Tube Downloader-refused to play ball. I found that there is a more up to date version of FYTD but it comes with one of those annoying toolbars(which I refuse pointblank to add to my system!!).

Then I discovered that if one clicks in the top righthand corner above the YT video box one can download using RealDownloader. This seems to be working...but is VERY slow.

Any suggestions Huh Huh
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2013, 11:40:16 pm »

Ok......I have just managed to download the Holloway Fifth Concerto and the recent Reliquary using something called savefrom.net

Anybody familiar with this programme Huh
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2013, 01:06:42 am »

Let me first of all, upfront, state quite emphatically that I only download music from You Tube if it is NOT available on commercial cd Smiley

Determined to try to broaden my horizons just a little Grin, I discovered Robin Holloway's Fifth Concerto for Orchestra on YT. I decided to download it...only to find that my trusted programme-Free You Tube Downloader-refused to play ball. I found that there is a more up to date version of FYTD but it comes with one of those annoying toolbars(which I refuse pointblank to add to my system!!).

Then I discovered that if one clicks in the top righthand corner above the YT video box one can download using RealDownloader. This seems to be working...but is VERY slow.

Any suggestions Huh Huh

I find recording live seems to make for better quality and allows me to hear the music. But ALL other computer sounds must be KAPUT.
Slower to be sure, but while hearing it  I can make a judgement of thumbs up or down.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2013, 01:27:22 am »

I don't know what the quality or provenance of the recording you've DL'd is, but clicking the link below will give you a lossless (FLAC) version of Holloway's Fifth Concerto:

http://bit.ly/TvkfDN (programme note: http://bit.ly/RlCso1)

and Reliquary:

http://bit.ly/TpTKvZ (programme note: http://bit.ly/X79QAD)

(both with intros and outros from Radio 3, i think)

Reliquary is an orchestration and expansion of some Schumann songs (somewhere between Elgar/Payne and Schubert/Berio), but the Concerto I've not heard. I was unexpectedly impressed with Nos. 2 and 3 however (which are on two separate NMC discs, and really should be on one disc seeing as they're both about 40 minutes, but that's another story). Would be curious to hear your thoughts.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2013, 01:38:50 am »

The two Holloway works downloaded using savefrom.net are in MP4 format and therefore perfect file copies. I have absolutely no complaint about the sound quality Smiley

I agree about the Second and Third Concertos. I am tempted to download the MP4 versions on offer  (for payment I should add Grin).

Whether I like the music is quite another matter Grin But Holloway is clearly an important and senior contemporary British composer and I feel that I ought to try. His music is serious and sincere. Its idiom is complex(to my ears) but not impossible. I do not want to ignore what is available.

Give me credit for making an effort Grin
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2013, 02:00:12 am »

Indeed. I expected his music to be much less "modern"-sounding considering that he's often pitted against Birtwistle, Turnage, etc. as an "arch-conservative" of sorts—it's still tonal but definitely in a more complex and individual idiom that has some similarities, I think, with Dutilleux (and some of the other lesser-known French composers of that generation, who are only really "traditionalist" by comparison with Boulez or Messiaen). It's not necessarily the most accessible stuff (in any sense of the term) but it's clearly embedded in and in some ways a commentary on the classical tradition, so it should be possible to at least understand what he's on about with enough listens.

(Side note: RH was a lecturer at my university for the first two years i was there and i originally became acquainted with his 3rd concerto for orchestra when he presented it at a lecture. The problem was that he spent the first 40 minutes of the lecture talking about the concerto leaving us only 20 minutes to listen to it. Based on how appealing i found the music vs. his interesting but ultimately somewhat repetitive comments on it, I quite wished he'd done it the other way around Cheesy)
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2013, 02:44:56 am »

Composers often prefer talking about their own music to actually listening to it Grin

I have seen Holloway described as a "neo-romantic" Roll Eyes That is stretching the definition of "neo-romanticism", is it not Huh
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2013, 03:13:55 am »

Composers often prefer talking about their own music to actually listening to it Grin
At least nowadays! Perhaps they should follow more in the example of Bach, Mozart or Beethoven, who as far as I know, never delivered even the briefest of pre-concert talks or roundtables Wink

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I have seen Holloway described as a "neo-romantic" Roll Eyes That is stretching the definition of "neo-romanticism", is it not Huh
That only really works in the same way that one could describe Robert Simpson as a "neo-romantic"—the relationship Simpson's music has to Haydn, Beethoven, Bruckner, Nielsen and the other composers he specialised in as a musicologist, is similar to that Holloway's has to Schumann, Wagner, Debussy, Strauss and the other composers he specialises in as a musicologist. As far as I've been able to gather anyway. Of course, it could be argued that this is the real neo-romanticism, and there is nothing "neo" about most of the neo-romantic composers with whom the term is usually associated (as they have been negatively criticised... for some reason Huh as though romantic music is a bad thing Huh)
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