Christo
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... an opening of those magic casements ...
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2013, 09:31:22 pm » |
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In short, only the historical role of the Eroica is uncontested; the other four could be replaced by similarly influential symphonies. ;)
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… music is not only an `entertainment’, nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found. RVW, 1948
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kyjo
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2013, 10:27:07 pm » |
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In short, only the historical role of the Eroica is uncontested; the other four could be replaced by similarly influential symphonies. ;)
I completely agree! |
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Dundonnell
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2013, 10:52:13 pm » |
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I am a compulsive list-maker....but I draw the line at lists of "the best" or "the worst" ;D ;D
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Gauk
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2013, 05:38:30 pm » |
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The list is only "symphonies that changed music" - it doesn't say by how much! Writing a piece that is not performed is still a change, if a very small one.
If we rewrite the topic as "influential symphonies", then the list is still not a very good one. The influence of Haydn is from his whole opus, not just one work, and I would be hard put to say whether Beethoven's 3rd, 5th, 7th or 9th was more influential.
In the case of Shostakovich, the 7th symphony was politically influential in east-west relations at the time, but in terms of musical influence, at least in the USSR, I think the 8th was more influential. Though one could point to Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra and Antheil's 4th in the west. But really, the Shostakovich symphony that casts the longest musical shadow is the 1st.
Surely, though, the most influential 20th C symphony is Sibelius 7?
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Jolly Roger
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2013, 06:28:51 am » |
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I am a compulsive list-maker....but I draw the line at lists of "the best" or "the worst" ;D ;D
How about the first five...whoever wrote them!! |
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Jolly Roger
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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2013, 11:35:50 pm » |
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Symphony Mathis der Mahler by Hindemith had a subtle, but strong underpinning for many future compositions, although Hindemith
is seldom given credit for "breaking new ground".
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Neil McGowan
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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2013, 06:58:43 am » |
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I am a compulsive list-maker....but I draw the line at lists of "the best" or "the worst" ;D ;D
How about the first five...whoever wrote them!! Game, set and match to Stamitz, then! ;) |
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autoharp
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2013, 07:29:30 am » |
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Surely, though, the most influential 20th C symphony is Sibelius 7?
Webern's Symphony, it might be argued, didn't necessarily change music for the better. |
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Gauk
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2013, 11:32:43 pm » |
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Webern's Symphony, it might be argued, didn't necessarily change music for the better.
As a piece, was it particularly influential compared to other pieces by Webern? I didn't think so. |
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Jolly Roger
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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2013, 06:02:40 pm » |
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Surely, though, the most influential 20th C symphony is Sibelius 7?
Webern's Symphony, it might be argued, didn't necessarily change music for the better. Weburn may have been influential, but his music bores me to tears!! |
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Gauk
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« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2013, 10:34:51 pm » |
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Weburn may have been influential, but his music bores me to tears!!
At least he won't bore you for very long! I remember being at what I think was the first Irish performance of Webern's symphony; the reaction at the conclusion was not so much applause as a nervous giggle. This would have been 1970s I think. |
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Jolly Roger
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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2013, 10:00:25 am » |
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Weburn may have been influential, but his music bores me to tears!!
At least he won't bore you for very long! I remember being at what I think was the first Irish performance of Webern's symphony; the reaction at the conclusion was not so much applause as a nervous giggle. This would have been 1970s I think. Webern in Ireland is like Beauty and the Beast.. |
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JimL
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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2013, 04:18:57 pm » |
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Webern in Ireland is like Beauty and the Beast... Yes, but which is which? ;D |
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Jolly Roger
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2013, 10:29:51 pm » |
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That should be obvious to anyone who is not a Celtiphobe..
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JimL
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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2013, 01:50:05 am » |
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That should be obvious to anyone who is not a Celtiphobe.. I'm not. Are YOU? ;D |
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