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« on: October 17, 2012, 02:07:40 am »

"Youtube" videos - some of them - can be exciting and worthwhile. If you find a good "youtube" video that contains music by a little-known composer, but does not clearly fit under any of the existing sections, this board will henceforth be the right place to link to it. Very Important: please use only short youtube links.
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2012, 07:37:58 am »

The suggestion of the 'short form' of the YouTube link seems very worthwhile, and will improve the visible appeal of the page Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2013, 08:53:52 am »

The suggestion of the 'short form' of the YouTube link seems very worthwhile, and will improve the visible appeal of the page Smiley
Please explain how the "short link" is obtained..
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2013, 09:56:39 am »

Because of a limitation in the forum software, I would request all members to use the short forms of "youtube" links. They are easy to obtain. If you are watching the video, you will see below it a little tab labelled "Share":


Click on that, and a blue box will appear, containing the desired short link:


Simply hit control-C to copy that short link. You can then come back to the forum and paste that short link into your messages, and all will be well.

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2013, 11:22:09 am »

The suggestion of the 'short form' of the YouTube link seems very worthwhile, and will improve the visible appeal of the page Smiley
Please explain how the "short link" is obtained..

Thanks, your explaination was very clear and will be quite useful.
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2013, 01:15:36 am »

I have downloaded a number of compositions from You Tube using Free You Tube Downloader.

Obviously I could upload any of these to Mediafire and provide a link (as I have just done with one such-the Geoffrey Bush Symphony No.1).

It may be however that this is not appropriate/approved behaviour and that instead the link to the You Tube file should be provided only Huh (If so I shall delete the Bush file at once).

I would appreciate guidance.....and if that guidance has already been provided I apologise in advance for asking for it again.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2016, 01:53:59 am »

Personally I would have no objection. All forms of commercialism - buying and selling - seem wrong to me; not activities to be supported. So please feel free to do whatever you yourself feel right. The more (high quality) links you post the merrier! And there are many alternatives to Mediafire; ulozto.net is just one example.






(Sorry for very very late response.)
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2017, 04:29:07 am »

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrJohannStraussViena/videos

Delightful youtube channel with lots of romantic and late romantic light overtures, intermezzos, etc. if you are into that.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2017, 07:20:55 am »

Personally I would have no objection. All forms of commercialism - buying and selling - seem wrong to me; not activities to be supported. So please feel free to do whatever you yourself feel right. The more (high quality) links you post the merrier!
That's all very well, but whatever gets uploaded to YouTube or wherever else cannot be so without such commercialism, since it all costs money. Furthermore, far too many people upload copyright material without first requesting the permission even of the artists, record companies, broadcasters &c., let alone the copyright owners, which is downright rude as well as disadvantageous to all those who have an interest in such material.

I've had to use YouTube's takedown facility more times than I can remember. I detest having to do it because in one sense it flies in the face of my rôle to promote certain music, but there's a simple answer and that is to try to encourage such uploaders only to upload extracts under the equivalent to the "fair use" policy applicable to literary writings; this not only avoids copyright infringements but also can encourage those who listen to those extracts to buy the recordings (in the case of those which are commercially available).
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2018, 12:22:43 pm »

(From Dundonnell in my capacity as an Administrator.)

Frankly my patience is becoming exhausted.

Most members probably are at least familiar with You Tube. Many probably use it either to listen to uploaded music or to download music from it. What individual members do in this regard is entirely a matter of personal choice.

Equally, what people choose to upload to You Tube is entirely up to them. The availability on You Tube of music derived from LPs which are no longer available from the company which originally issed them or of music which was broadcast by radio networks has brought an unbelieveable amount of neglected music to our attention and, if downloaded by any of us, to our collections.

It could and has been argued that it is at best "improper" to upload radio broacasts. This could be debated endlessly but the "horse has bolted". It is widespread practice and the radio networks appear to have no desire or intention of taking You Tube to court over the practice.

Speaking personally (and since I have yet to hear from other members on this issue) I DO have a serious issue with the uploading to You Tube of commercially available cds. There has been some speculation about the attitude of the companies involved on here but we have no clear word from them. It seems to me however something which, although it may be argued offers the companies and particular cds some publicity, is ultimately extremely dangerous for the future of these companies.

Firms like CPO, BIS, Chandos, Lyrita, Dutton etc etc are not operating on huge profit margins. Some struggle to survive. Their source of income obviously depends on them selling their cds to a small (albeit devoted) public. There may well be those who, having heard a cd in full and in total on You Tube, will then go out and purchase that cd. There will however be many others who will not do so, who will be content that they now have the music, downloaded from You Tube without paying a penny to the company-the company which has scrambled around to find the cash to pay an orchestra, a conductor, a choir, soloists, whatever.

This site is not a sub-forum of You Tube. We have always encouraged members who have recordings of music not otherwise available to the public to share these. We have all benefited enormously from the generosity of our members in this respect. If there is music uploaded to You Tube from non-commercial sources (ie which is not currently on cd) we have shared this information with others.

What we do not permit is members posting uploads of commercial cds or links to such uploads. If a piece of music was broadcast we allow it to be shared but the music or link is deleted if/when the same performance becomes available on cd.

If we now allow the posting of You Tube videos which are taken directly from a commercial cd we are undermining the very principles on which the rules of this Forum are based and damaging the interests and jeopardising the future of the record companies. Reposting the You Tube videos of this kind  is in essence a direct way of clearly pointing members towards the ability and opportunity to download this music at no cost to themselves.

I wrote last night that I was uncomfortable with this. Having thought further about the matter I am more than uncomfortable. I cannot endorse the practice and can be no part of it. As an administrator I took on certain responsibilities and obligations. I cannot perform such duties if this practice continues.

I repeat-with all possible emphasis-that I have no difficulties (and this site has never had any real difficulties, despite the reservations of certain respected members) with the uploading, downloading, advertising etc of You Tube videos which are NOT commercial cds.

I have Unlocked this topic in an attempt to encourage (indeed to positively solicit!) debate and discussion.


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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2018, 02:17:36 pm »

Hello Dundonnell,

I am in complete agreement with your statements / your opinion !

You expressed your reservations yesterday (and before), but the first thing I noticed today was a new post
linking to YouTube videos of commercial recordings of Dohnanyi's symphonies !!! (Dohnanyi is not really an unsung
composer, and anyone wishing to explore his works should have no difficulties finding easily available recordings of
his work. A simple search in YouTube would perhaps lead to the above mentioned videos - so no promotion on this
site is necessary. And anyone not aware of Dohnanyi having composed symphonies could lookup worklists such as
the ones you have compiled and generously made available here ....)

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2018, 04:22:43 pm »

Thank you for your supportive comments!

I have just spoken to a friend of mine who is a lawyer. He pointed out the possibility-and he readily conceded that it is a VERY remote possibility-that a record company, unwilling or unable to "take on" You Tube, might be less inhibited in at the very least pointing out to us that such reposting of their commercially recorded cds is both unacceptable and illegal.
As an Administrator of this Forum I would be deemed to have a responsibility in law in this regard.

Whilst this is almost certainly an extremely unlikely scenario it is not one that I am prepared to ignore.

I shall await a comment from my fellow Administrators but I give fair warning that it is now very probable that I shall remove the Dohnanyi, Enescu and Alfano threads (each of which contains commercial recordings). I shall examine the Rosenberg thread carefully since I suspect that it includes some non-commercial recordings.

Members have the opportunity to respond with their own thoughts on this matter and I would not wish to pre-empt any discussion. On the other hand, the longer this material remains online on this forum the greater the risk run.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2018, 02:36:29 am »

"the Dohnanyi, Enescu and Alfano threads (each of which contains commercial recordings)" we are told.

This is NOT TRUE. As far as I know no one has posted any "commercial recordings" on our forum. (A year or two ago an American did post all Shossakovitch's symphonies HERE but they were rapidly and rightly removed.)

What gets posted on You Tube is the business of You Tube and not our business.

Most of us now live in nominally free countries and we are free to inform other members "hey, such and such interesting and rarely heard work has appeared on You Tube and you can listen to it there" (NOT here, I emphasize). I for one have no interest in or knowlledge of the origins of any work that appears on You Tube.

To say that people should NOT be permitted to go off to You Tube and listen to anything they find there would be censorship of the worst kind.

The removal of what are mere hyperlinks to a respected and long-standing American company will simply bring our forum into disrepute.


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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2018, 07:01:39 am »

I have temporarily resumed the role of administrator, solely so as to avoid the threatened catastrophic loss of vital data.

In due course a poll of all our members may be arranged.

Normal service will not be interrupted.

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2018, 08:45:01 am »

I heavily disagree with Sydney's oversimplifying statement

   
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What gets posted on You Tube is the business of You Tube and not our business.

If a recording is illegally posted on YouTube (even if nobody cares) and this is easily recognizable (by looking at the CD covers displayed there),
we should not hyperlink it in this forum. Still anyone is free to lookup the video on YouTube himself. I would have no problems with mere hints,
e.g. statements like: "Alfano's symphonies are great works (recordings of them can also be found on YouTube)".

Linking to a playlist of some streaming provider would be a different case - there you normally need some kind of payed access to listen to the full work.

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