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Greg K
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2018, 05:16:29 pm »

I have temporarily resumed the role of administrator, solely so as to avoid the threatened catastrophic loss of vital data.

In due course a poll of all our members may be arranged.

Normal service will not be interrupted.

S.G.


I don't get it.  Was this like a coup?  Are the former administrators being held in detention, with their posting privileges suspended?
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2018, 06:39:59 pm »

What gets posted on You Tube is the business of You Tube and not our business.

I think that, um, the content of the hyperlink does indeed matter in the end. Elsewise posting recent CDs uploaded to The Pirate Bay or Rutracker or some other torrent site would be entirely kosher.  Tongue

Youtube's a strange case, though, because it's not explicitly a site for pirates (it has a takedown mechanism and a way to report videos) and it does have a "content ID" system that tries to compensate musicians for the playback, even if they did not upload the work. A lot of musicians are unhappy at Youtube's meager streaming pay rate though (plenty of articles about that).

I think the risk to this forum is non-existent. If the original record companies wanted to take down the copyrighted content, they'd report it to Youtube directly, not to the small sites linking to it. So it's more of an ethical question in the end.
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2018, 03:55:30 am »

Personally I would have no objection. All forms of commercialism - buying and selling - seem wrong to me; not activities to be supported. So please feel free to do whatever you yourself feel right. The more (high quality) links you post the merrier!
That's all very well, but whatever gets uploaded to YouTube or wherever else cannot be so without such commercialism, since it all costs money. Furthermore, far too many people upload copyright material without first requesting the permission even of the artists, record companies, broadcasters &c., let alone the copyright owners, which is downright rude as well as disadvantageous to all those who have an interest in such material.

I've had to use YouTube's takedown facility more times than I can remember. I detest having to do it because in one sense it flies in the face of my rôle to promote certaion music, but there's a simple answer and that is to try to encourage such uploaders only to upload extracts under the equivalent to the "fair use" policy applicable to literary writings; this not only avoids copyright infringements but also can encourage those who listen to those extracts to buy the recordings (in the case of those which are commercially available).
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2018, 06:23:13 am »

I don't understand why for example,Toccata Classics are available to download on youtube.

It says,'Brought to you by Naxos of America.'
Why do they do this,when it is so easy to download in whatever format you want?

Surely this is hurting a very fine company?
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2018, 02:51:55 pm »

Could we please have a clear statement as to who is/are now the moderators of this messageboard?
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2018, 05:59:00 pm »

Could we please have a clear statement as to who is/are now the moderators of this messageboard?


A STATEMENT (from Dundonnell)

Neil asks a legitimate and reasonable question. It is a question which must have occurred to other members over the past week. Indeed Greg as already made humorous comment on the situation.

The delay in responding to Greg and in restating a position I had already outlined over a week ago was because I wished to reflect on all the implications and ramifications of the current sad situation. "Sad" because of the echoes of what happened on another forum a few years ago. I also wanted to reflect on what other members had posted. Unfortunately Latvian (Maris) has not been on the forum since Tuesday of last week and I have been unable to contact him directly and get his perspectives.

There are three aspects to the situation in which Sydney Grew has chosen to post links to You Tube Videos which are in fact taken directly from commercially available cds issued by BIS, CPO and (in the most recent case of the Louis Glass symphonies) Danacord. ( I must make it clear that I am not referring to and have no issue with any links to music not commercially available.)

The first aspect is legal or quasi-legal. I have taken legal advice on this. The uploading by individuals to You Tube of commercially available cds is a clear breach of the company concerned copyrights. Alluding to the existence of these recordings on You Tube is one thing but posting links, in fact reposting the entire videos on this site, is quite another.

As an administrator I could be held liable for such flagrant breach of copyright.

The second aspect is the ethical dimension. The companies which issued the cds in question depend on the income generated through customers either purchasing the cds or paying to download their content. Downloading the music for free from You Tube is in my opinion unethical and flies in the face of the standards to which we have always adhered on this forum. The inevitable consequence of such a practice is to put at risk the financial viability of the companies themselves and make it much less likely that the music we love or would wish to see recorded ever makes it to disc.

Sydney has said that You Tube is a "reputable company". I would not wish to make any comment on that statement; it would be improper of me to do so. The uploading of commercially available cds to You Tube is not however, in my judgment, "reputable". He writes that what happens on You Tube is their business. Indeed it is...but what happens on this site is our business.

Sydney says that he will take down the videos if he is contacted by someone with "authorisation". Authorisation derives from my perceived role as forum administrator and is based on my view of the ethical dimension of what has happened.

The final aspect of this (and the one which directly goes to the heart of Neil's question) relates to the duties and obligations of an administrator.

In March Sydney indicated that for perfectly valid and personal reasons he wished to stand down from the role of administrator. I took on that role, in partnership. I have to carry out my duties as I see them to be in honesty and with due recognition of my ethical and legal obligations.

For anyone who has voluntarily resigned the role of administrator to then six months later "return as temporary administrator", without any reference to the current administrators, is to place the latter in an impossible and intolerable situation. This is made worse by a clear difference of view about the policy and practices of the forum.

This forum belongs not to me or to any one individual. It belongs to the membership which supports it through their interest and their contributions through posts.

If my views are unacceptble to the membership then the road ahead is clear. However as long as I do remain an administrator it is my duty to make the membership fully aware of what these views are and my reasons for adhering to them.

I have not to date removed any of the posts which are involved.
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2018, 09:46:14 pm »

My apologies to all for my protracted absence in the midst of this unexpected development. In short, as I've explained to Colin privately, my 89 year old mother has been hospitalized for the past week and I've been attending to her while continuing to work and prepare for upcoming concerts.

I am in full agreement with Colin that Sydney should have no expectation of reclaiming the administration of this forum after definitively relinquishing it earlier this year, nor is it appropriate for him to assume that he can just step back into his role with no consultation, much as he relinquished it with no consultation or discussion.

Further, as I understand the rules of this forum it is a violation of our forum's "prime directive" to post commercially available recordings, regardless of the format. Part of our mission here is to help record companies stay in business and continue to release music and performances we want to hear and own, and not take away potential business from them. Sure, we can all go to YouTube and listen to recordings in the course of considering whether to purchase the actual release. No problem in mentioning existence of such YT uploads here in the course of discussion, either, but let's not load up the forum with the actual recordings, linked or otherwise. We've always been very careful to take down uploads here once it's been shown any particular recording is in print.

Maris ("Latvian")
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2018, 12:07:28 am »

One day ago some one changed the administration password for this forum. They must have used some hacker's tool to do so.

A few minutes after the password was changed, you made a long post as administrator using the changed password and stolen user-name.

I must now ask you, Dundonnell, to tell us, who committed this act, and how was the pirate password communicated to you?

What is the present administration password of this forum, and who, apart from you, knows it?

Your long-term future at this forum depends on your honesty in responding to these questions.

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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2018, 12:30:00 am »

I am sure none of us joined this message-board to witness this sad charade. 

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