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 on: August 18, 2019, 04:40:48 pm 
Started by M. Yaskovsky - Last post by Greg K
No, your original response made some insightful comments about Winbeck's approach.  Any harshness was undetectable.

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 on: August 18, 2019, 03:16:54 pm 
Started by M. Yaskovsky - Last post by relm1
"Inverted Mahler" was no more than my haphazard reaction to one section of one Symphony, not a summary of Winbeck's whole symphonic output, - but I still say the "Choral" movement of his Symphony 2 resembles the last movement of Mahler 3 in its cadence of reaching for or opening to transcendence and apotheosis, but the intrusions of disturbance and unrest into which finally undermine and demolish that.  There seems some experiential relation up to a point, but then with disjunctive outcome.

I came off way too harsh in my response.  I agree with my sentiment just not as strongly as I might have voiced it.  Your point makes sense and I can hear that in the music too.

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 on: August 18, 2019, 03:26:49 am 
Started by M. Yaskovsky - Last post by Greg K
"Inverted Mahler" was no more than my haphazard reaction to one section of one Symphony, not a summary of Winbeck's whole symphonic output, - but I still say the "Choral" movement of his Symphony 2 resembles the last movement of Mahler 3 in its cadence of reaching for or opening to transcendence and apotheosis, but the intrusions of disturbance and unrest into which finally undermine and demolish that.  There seems some experiential relation up to a point, but then with disjunctive outcome.

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 on: August 18, 2019, 01:40:29 am 
Started by JimL - Last post by JimL
And where did all the stuff on YouTube go, if there isn't a recording with those artists coming out soon?

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 on: August 18, 2019, 01:21:28 am 
Started by M. Yaskovsky - Last post by relm1
I haven't heard of this composer before, but am enjoying this output so far.  Am on Symphony No. 2.  It is modern but very approachable.  No worse than late Shostakovitch but sometimes has Mahler quotes for some nice sense of catharsis.  Thanks for recommending this composer, I'm enjoying discovering him.

I hear the last movement of Symphony 2 as rather an inversion of Mahlerian catharsis, - compare with the last movement of Mahler's Symphony 3 which it sounds similar to, but then moves and concludes antithetically, - the benediction become ominous and even menacing.


I don't think I can agree with you when there are so many direct quotes of preexisting music.  In fact, I am now at No. 5 (I couldn't find No. 4) so I feel I have a good sense of what he does.  I like it very much but can't say it is an inversion of Mahler because it is direct quotes sort of out out of order.  I know quite a few composer friends that this would thoroughly piss them off to literally go to the library quote one of the greatest composers but put their music out of order and that becomes your new symphony.  I take it he wasn't highly regarded at home?  He doesn't sound similar to Mahler 3, he is quoting Mahler 3 then doesn't quote him.  IN CONTRAST, you have the collage of Schnittke who does a Bach style chorale but the music is completely original but evoking the style of Bach.  Winbech is not doing that.  Now, I'm in his No. 5, the Bruckner 9 tribute where I'm hearing long swathes of sequences based on passages from that symphony.  Contrast this with Rautavaara Symphony No. 3 which uses Bruckner 3 dramatic and orchestrational devises in his own way much more successfully.  My final thoughts after listening to hours of his symphonies, it is too bad that this is relegated to pastiche.  He has great technique and skill but I wish he would have incorporated the tradition rather than mimicked it.

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 on: August 18, 2019, 01:14:04 am 
Started by dhibbard - Last post by dhibbard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W5c6J9nSk4&feature=em-uploademail


Glazunov Symphony No. 5 - Proms 2019


Vladimir Jurowski, conductor
London Philharmonic Orchestra

Recording taken from Aug. 17 concert at the Royal Albert Hall, Proms 2019, BBC 3.

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 on: August 17, 2019, 08:08:42 pm 
Started by SymphonicAddict - Last post by SymphonicAddict
Thanks for the info. There is another recording of the 1st Symphony on Philips (LP). Interesting. However, there doesn't seem to be recordings of the other symphonies.

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 on: August 17, 2019, 07:04:50 pm 
Started by dhibbard - Last post by dhibbard
Well I saw this on sale at my local music shop for USD $4.99  so I picked one up.   I'll let you know how it sounds.
Thanks

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 on: August 17, 2019, 06:35:04 pm 
Started by M. Yaskovsky - Last post by Greg K
I haven't heard of this composer before, but am enjoying this output so far.  Am on Symphony No. 2.  It is modern but very approachable.  No worse than late Shostakovitch but sometimes has Mahler quotes for some nice sense of catharsis.  Thanks for recommending this composer, I'm enjoying discovering him.

I hear the last movement of Symphony 2 as rather an inversion of Mahlerian catharsis, - compare with the last movement of Mahler's Symphony 3 which it sounds similar to, but then moves and concludes antithetically, - the benediction become ominous and even menacing.




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 on: August 17, 2019, 04:58:43 pm 
Started by M. Yaskovsky - Last post by dhibbard
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.   I see he just died this year.

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