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1  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Vienna on: July 17, 2019, 01:41:50 pm
But should Moscow audiences be expected to have heard of Birtwistle? (I ask objectively, not sarcastically or critically)

Yes, that was exactly my point.  Should any audience be 'expected' to have heard of any other works than the ones they've come to hear? 

I feel that Gauk believes (as I do) that it would be healthy for audiences to have listened widely to a variety of music from different nations and periods. But (again, objectively!) in reality it's not realistic to expect any significant or comprehensive knowledge of the output of composers of other countries in all listeners - people simply haven't the time, let alone the resources. Even getting hold of works by Birtwistle (or PMD, or James McMillan, or any other British cmpoosers of present or recent years) is a hard job that requires a lot of effort.  There aren't CDs available of major works, nor can they always be found online.  All you can find of The Mask of Orpheus is dribs and drabs, in disjointed chunks.  Try finding Yan-Tan-Tethera (which I rate as a masterpiece)?  Or The Second Mrs Kong?  There's not a scrap of it to be heard. Frankly, composers (and their pubishers) have themselves to blame - while they sit tight on their output, passed-around on privately-made CDS in hardwritten paper sleeves, the world can rightly say...  'oh, and what have you written?'

I wish Sir Harry a happy 85th birthday,  Perhaps his publishers would make him the birthday present of making available the recordings they're sitting on?  Because if they are waiting to cash in financially on these works, they (and we0 will die waiting. Please don't tell me no-one bothered to record The Second Mrs Kong or Gawain, when they were performed? 
2  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Vienna on: July 17, 2019, 06:40:54 am
I fear you're not wrong there!   Cool   I haven't been to the Wigmore Hall for donkey's years, so I don't know how things zre there these days?

But let's hope their musical acument stretches a little further than our expectations?  In all fairness, I think the situation is very much the same wherever we go.  I found myself having an unexpected interval chat in Moscow last month, trying to explain who Harrison Birttwistle is   Cry
3  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Vienna on: July 15, 2019, 04:11:22 am
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In 1919 most of that empire was "lost": not just Hungary, but Bohemia, Moravia, Slovakia, Galicia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia. What was left was the tiny German rump which became the Austrian Republic. And of course Vienna did remain a cultural, musical centre but many of the composers who remained were Jewish and many of these found employment across the political border in Weimar Germany.

Very well put, and thank you for this highly apposite viewpoint.

A thought that has been with me recently:Whatever happened to Austrian music?

If asked this question, my immediate reply would include HK Gruber, of course Smiley 
4  Various / Miscellany / Re: Marmite on: July 10, 2019, 10:59:01 pm
Sadly I shall have to wait until my next trip to the UK - which might not be for a year or two, as I have other places to go - before trying Marmite XO.  I look forward to hearing your Tasting Tips, once you venture to crack the jar open?  Smiley

Meantime, a friend brought me some Marmite 'classic' (the yellow label) from a gig they performed in London recently - so for now, at least, I have Marmite instead of Vegemite  Smiley
5  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: Hello, music fellows! on: June 11, 2019, 05:58:55 pm
Great!  Welcome to this community!  We are badly in need of civiliased dicussion about a range of music that goes beyond tthe parochial  Smiley  So please, post away! 
6  Little-known music of all eras / Books about composers and their music / Re: Surprised by Beauty on: June 11, 2019, 05:56:47 pm
I am entirely in favour of amicable discussion.
7  Little-known music of all eras / Books about composers and their music / Re: Surprised by Beauty on: June 10, 2019, 10:36:40 pm

Prone as you are to making dogmatic statements without any justification, why not elaborate what you have against this individual?

Try keeping a civil tongue in your head, We don;t have to tolerate your behaviour here, and you are heading for a ban..
8  Little-known music of all eras / Books about composers and their music / Re: Surprised by Beauty on: June 09, 2019, 05:52:31 pm
has anyone purchased this one?

Certainly not, considering who the author is - a persistent internet troll.
9  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Vladislav Kladnitsky (1932-2015) on: June 09, 2019, 05:28:09 pm
The Russian version of Wikipedia has this

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кладницкий,_Владислав_Иванович

Which is hardly very full at all, but might help you along the way?  Wink
10  Little-known music of all eras / Rare scores / Re: Russian Composer Chernov, Mikhail, Mikhaĭlovich (1879 - ) on: May 12, 2019, 01:05:19 am
There is no information about his symphonies being recorded on that page. for sure.  But the Russian version of Wikipedia is even less reliable than its English-language counterpart, so there could still be an outside chance that recordings exist, somewhere?   

Personally I am more intrigued by the idea of early-20th Russian operettas....  but sadly Wikipedia doesn't even give their titles, let alone any deeper detail Sad   I wonder if they were ever performed, and if so, where and when?  One imagines SPb  (since he was living and working there), but perhaps in other cities in the Russian Empire or the USSR?   He certainly made an adept leap from posh societiy musical comedies to writing the Komsomol Anthem... so he knew which side his bread was buttered Wink  But who can blame him?
11  Little-known music of all eras / Rare scores / Re: Russian Composer Chernov, Mikhail, Mikhaĭlovich (1879 - ) on: May 11, 2019, 09:10:12 pm
His biography is available in Russian on the Russian 'side' of Wikipedia

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Чернов,_Михаил_Михайлович

If anyone badly needs it, I can knock out a quick English tranlation of that page. In essence, his biography was study at the Physics & Maths faculty of SPbniv until 1903.  Subseqently studied composition and orchestration at the SPb Conservatoire with RImsky-Korsakov and Lyadov.  From 1910 until his death in 1938 he himself taught the same two topics at the SPb Conservatoire (where his pupils included Mravinsky).

His output appears to have covered a number of gences, including 3 symphonies, piano music, and a number of comic operas and operettas, along with incidental music for theatre productions. He also composed the music for the Anthem of the Young Communists (Komsomol) in 1928.
12  Little-known music of all eras / Notice of interesting concerts around the world / Re: BBC SSO/Martyn Brabbins in Stravinsky, Turnage,Shostakovich, April 25th 2019 on: April 26, 2019, 06:27:17 pm
Thanks for the heads-up about this YouTube relay - which I would otherwise have missed!

I am enjoying the Martland tribute at the moment - with the DSCH still to come.

It's a pity you missed the Glasgow FIERY ANGEL last year - those who were there said it captured the full intensity of that astonishing score.
13  Various / Miscellany / Re: Marmite on: April 23, 2019, 07:29:13 pm
Vegemite tastes very much more salty than Marmite, to me - not something I can cite in its favour.  On the other hand, one can simply spread it thinner?  Problem solved!  Wink
14  Various / Miscellany / Re: Marmite on: April 22, 2019, 09:35:37 pm
I admit to being a life-long Marmite fan.  However, now that it is owned by Unilever, it comes under the list of EU-produced items which are banned from import into Russia.  There could be some hope from Brexit - if Britain is no longer an EU nation, then Marmite - made, I believe, in the UK, but 'owned' by Unilever in the EU - ought to come off the list of goods which Russians may not purchase (or even arrange to have delivered).  Of course, other goodies (such as marmalade, and the huge range of UK-produced cheeses) would also come off the banned list.

Meantime, Vegemite - produced outside the EU, in Australia - remains avalable here in Moscow, and I am reduced to having to eat it - while the 'real thing' is not on sale. Being a lifelong vegetarian,, Marmite is not only a tasty toast topping, but also an essential part of my diet (Vitamin B12 - no naturally-occurring vegetarian food sources for it).  Of course, it was this viatmin component that lay behind the product's original introduction, I believe? 

Hopefully Sunday's  departure of the UK's darling Presiident Porkyshenko in Kiev will see the EU blockade of Crimea lifted quite shortly - and with it, Russia's 'mirror' ban on EU products.  Smiley  Welcome news for people living in Lugansk and Donetsk, too!! 
15  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Weinberg (Vainberg) on: April 19, 2019, 10:17:21 pm
Note that the performers get higher billing than the composer. Roll Eyes

What else would you expect? 

Coming soon - Mirga conducts the Massed Military Bands of NATO Forcces  (repertoire - immaterial)
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