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1  Various / Miscellany / Re: Onno van Rijen's Shostakovich & Other Soviet Composers Page on: July 04, 2017, 12:03:03 pm
Please oblige by stating for each of these fifteen recordings its source, its date, the territory in which it was created, and under which conditions.

Thank you.
2  About music in general / Individual composers / Re: Luctor Ponse on: April 18, 2017, 01:32:07 am

3  Little-known music of all eras / Broadcast videos / Re: Wolfgang Rihm - Requiem Strophen (2017) on: April 12, 2017, 02:36:15 pm
I wish I could say something more positive abouit Rihm, but I don't know what the fuss is about. I just don't enjoy his music.
After several attempts to do so, I just gave up. I kept wondering why am I listening to this?

I tend to agree with you, Jolly Roger.
4  Little-known music of all eras / Broadcast videos / Re: Kalevi Aho - Sieidi - Concerto for Percussion on: December 05, 2016, 08:47:21 am
Many many thanks for this lively video! I wonder whether Aho would have done better to concentrate on the piano, cello or french horn?
5  Little-known music of all eras / World-wide wireless / Re: Stations indexed by language on: November 27, 2016, 10:15:21 am
Neil, what is the name of the Swiss station that you are keen on - which broadcasts all the opera? I can include it if it is still going.
6  Little-known music of all eras / World-wide wireless / Stations indexed by language on: November 26, 2016, 10:15:13 am
I'm making a little list of internet broadcasting stations; it might interest some of our members.

For each station I give its URL or URLs (usually two or three stream types), a pointer to its programme schedule, its sound quality, a description of how to make recordings of it, how to tackle its "Listen Later" system (if any), and an indication of its interest to me personally on a scale of one to six.

At present there are thirty-five items, but that should soon grow to something closer to a hundred.

Here is an index (one of several) which you can click on; the actual information for each station is at another forum at the moment; it will probably be better to make a copy of it here eventually - it is all still work in progress. Soon I want to let it search the programme listings, and merge them for a number of stations.

Please try them out and let me know about any shortcomings, or any additional information you would like to see.

Stations arranged in order of language. Click on each station name to discover its details.


Radio Dzaďr [Algiers] Exotic







RTHK4 [Hong Kong] Art-music



ČRo D-dur [Prague] Art-music
ČRo vltava [Prague] Culture and art-music

DR P2 [Copenhagen] Mixed

Concertzender [Amsterdam] Mixed

ABC Classic FM [Sydney] Art-music
BBC Home Service [London] Cultural
BBC Radio Scotland [Edinburgh] Cultural
BBC Radio Three [London] Cultural
RNZ Concert [Wellington] Art-music
RTÉ lyric fm [Dublin] Cultural
RTHK4 [Hong Kong] Art-music



yle KLASSINEN [Helsinki] Art-music

France Culture [Paris] Cultural
France Musique [Paris] Art-music
RTBF Musiq3 [Brussels] Art-music



BR-Klassik [Munich] Art-music
hr2-kultur [Frankfurt] Cultural and art-music
MDR Klassik Radio [Leipsic] Art-music
NDR Kultur [Hamburg] Art-music
ORF Ö1 internet radio [Vienna] Cultural and art-music
SWR 2 [Stuttgart] Cultural and art-music
WDR3 [Cologne] Cultural and art-music





Bartók Rádió [Buda-Pest] High culture and art-music


Rai Radio 5 Classica [Rome] Art-music





Latvijas Radio LR3 - Klasika [Riga] Cultural and art-music


Radio 100,7 [Luxembourg] Mixed









Polskie Radio 2 Dwójka [Warsaw] Cultural items and art-music

Antena2 [lisbon] Cultural items and art-music


Radio România Muzical [Bucharest] Art-music


Radio Orpheus [Moscow] Cultural







Radio Clásica [Madrid] Art-music

SR P2 [Stockholm] Cultural

Swiss German



TRT Nağme [Istanbul] Ottoman classical music



7  Little-known music of all eras / Coming broadcasts and listen-later links / Re: Recording request fulfilled - Glanert Requiem on: November 06, 2016, 02:39:19 pm
Sorry cjvinthechair, I didn't register your request at first. In fact it fits in well with what I'm currently doing, which is making a list of all serious music web-radio stations, so I'll have a closer look at the Netherlands Radio 4.

Anyway, now I have managed to use their "listen again" for Saturday the fifth, and I have downloaded the program. Here it is:


First (at the 6 minutes 50 second mark) comes a short orchestral work by Glanert entitled "Fragment from Theatrum Bestiarum".

After that, at the 18 minute 0 second mark, comes his "Requiem for H. Bosch", in which the singers participate. This continues until the end of the recording, at the two hours thirty minute mark.

It must be said that this "music" doesn't appeal to some one of my generation. I thought that in 1945 the idea was that the Germans would be sent back to their farms and nothing further would be heard of or from them for the next hundred years. Well obviously, and I think unfortunately, that hasn't happened.

Please feel free to post this recording if you like, either in pieces or as a whole.

8  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Double Dutch on: September 16, 2016, 12:55:28 pm
I can't find him either. But I did find this little book in Dutch, entitled "Netherlands Music in the Nineteenth Century", by J.D.C. van Dokkum.

I expect it will contain the names of a few unfamiliar composers.
9  Little-known music of all eras / Coming broadcasts and listen-later links / Re: Arnold Cooke: Symphony No 6 on: September 14, 2016, 09:41:45 am
How to download items from Radio Three:

1) To get the best quality from the BBC you should either 1) be in the uk, or 2) use a vpn with a British ip address.

2) Find the programme identification number (PID). For this programme it is b07tz9fk. It can be seen in the address line of this picture.

3) At a command prompt, simply type:

get_iplayer --pid=xxxxxxxx

where xxxxxxxx is the PID from step 2 (b07tz9fk).

Then wait for about half an hour while the programme downloads. This will give you the entire programme: Bax overture, Elgar Cello Concerto, Cooke symphony 6, Elgar serenade, Vaughan Williams Lark, and Matthews symphony 8. It should give you a file of 345,302,353 bytes, with the best quality bit rate of 320 kbs.

4) There are various ways to snip out just the part or parts you want. I do it as follows, using ffmpeg, but there may be better ways:

- rename the file to something shorter and more convenient: WholeConcert.m4a
- Play the whole programme with VLC Media Player and note the start and end times of the section you are interested in
- Subtract the start time from the end time to get the length of that section
- then type:

I:\ffmpeg -ss 00:44:44 -i WholeConcert.m4a -c:a copy -t 00:34:51 -y CookeS6.m4a

This says: "Copy part of the audio file WholeConcert.m4a, starting at 00:44:44, and stop copying after the time-length of the output file CookeS6.m4a has reached 00:34:51."

I have uploaded the Cooke Symphony here:!Er1CDH9ye/cookes6-m4a
and posted it in our British section.

Thanks to the members who drew attention to this item.
If any one would like me to upload the whole concert, please let me know.


10  Little-known music of all eras / Books about composers and their music / Re: Wanted: works of analysis of symphonic music on: August 02, 2016, 08:26:44 am
As a youth in the fifties of the last century I gained most of my musical knowledge from two books;

1) The Symphony, edited by Ralph Hill (1949). 458 pages full of serious detailed analysis of, and musical examples from, particular works by the composers Haydn, Mozart, van Beethoven, Schubert, Berlioz, Mendelssohn, Schumann, Liszt, Franck, Bruckner, Brahms, Borodin, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Mahler, Elgar, Sibelius, Vaughan-Williams, Rachmaninov and Bax, as well as an essay on the development of the symphony down the years. A different author for each composer.

Available from Abebooks for a pound or two.

2) The Concerto, edited by Ralph Hill (1952). 448 pages full of serious detailed analysis of, and musical examples from, particular works by the composers J.S.Bach, Haydn, Mozart, van Beethoven, Schubert, Mendelssohn, Chopin, Schumann, Liszt, Brahms, Saint-Saens, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Grieg, Elgar, Delius, Sibelius, Busoni, Rachmaninov, Medtner, Ravel, Bloch, Bartok, Szymanowski, Berg, Prokofiev, and Walton, as well as essays on the virtuoso concerto, on "some English concertos", on "variation forms", and on the development of the concerto down the years. A different author for each composer.

Also available from Abebooks for a pound or two.

I highly recommend these two volumes.
11  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Recording of Jan van Gilse's Ein Lebensmesse on: June 27, 2016, 01:36:42 am
Marvellous! - thank you very much. By the way, the Lebensmesse starts at the 27 minute mark, following Schubert's "Unfinished" symphony.
12  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Belgian piano sonatas since Lekeu on: March 06, 2016, 01:21:36 pm
Thank you Balapoel for that interesting and extensive collection. There are a lot of items on it which will repay investigation.
13  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Belgian piano sonatas since Lekeu on: March 04, 2016, 10:45:57 pm
His sonata in four movements was I read written in 1891. I don't recall ever having heard it. Can any one post it?

In fact no piano sonatas at all have yet been posted in our Belgian Music section . . . there's a worthwhile challenge: can we find any?

14  Little-known music of all eras / Coming broadcasts and listen-later links / Download Pénélope on: February 22, 2016, 06:55:51 am
A video of Fauré's lyric drama Pénélope (1913), as performed two days ago, is now freely available for download if you click here:

There is also a libretto and a vocal score.
15  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Dallapiccola's 'Canti di Liberazione' on: November 24, 2015, 10:47:56 am
Yes please, that would be interesting. It may be a broadcast I taped around that time, but most of my tapes have now deteriorated - some have completely crumbled away.
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