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1  Various / Miscellany / The Countries of the members of this forum: on: September 22, 2017, 07:24:29 pm
I'm just curious... what country are you in?   It does seem that this forum is international in scope. 

I am in the USA
2  Various / Miscellany / Re: Idiotic Comments on Composers or Music! on: September 22, 2017, 03:16:36 pm
I went looking for performances of the Sibelius 7th on You Tube.I found a performance from the 2013 Proms with the Mahler Chamber Orchestra conducted by Daniel Harding. Unfortunately the video includes the intro' by the ineffable, dreadful, asinine Katie Derham.

Having commented on Sibelius's later silence as a composer Ms Derham says:

"You know, I always think that it is amazing that Sibelius, who most active as a composer in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, should have lived long enough to hear Elvis Presley".

...and with that thought in one's mind begins one of Sibelius's most profound,beautiful and moving compositions

Am I alone in finding this woman and her ignorant comments insufferable?

Yes.. this is a really stupid remark!   In 50 years, people will have to google the name Elvis to see the meaning of that word.  That remark is really inappropriate.
3  Little-known music of all eras / Downloads discussion / Re: Russian and Soviet Music on: September 17, 2017, 09:51:33 pm
Just wondered if anyone had ever downloaded (I didn't find it)  these works by the Karelian-Soviet composer G. Sinisalo:  Sampo- Ballet, Karelia Pictures and Heroes of the Forest Symphony?    were released on Melodiya but very rare.    Thanks !!
4  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: Is this excellent forum 'dying' ? on: September 17, 2017, 01:37:52 am
Well, as the member with by far the most posts on this forum (this one is No. 3674 and I don't think anybody else has reached 2000 Grin) I had better say something Smiley.

First of all, in reference to the statistic above it is obviously not a competition to see who can contribute more posts than others. Some of my posts have been pretty lengthy (too lengthy perhaps!) and have consisted of lists of compositions or composers. Oftentimes these have had little comment from other members but I know (or at least certainly hope!) that that does not necessarily denote a lack of interest. And compiling such lists has given me pleasure and kept me mentally active-which, in retirement, is vitally important!!

It is true that the days when members were regularly posting links to music which they had uploaded seem to be past. I suspect that is because those who have been members for a number of years have provided all or most of the music which they had available and that there is actually not much else around to share with others.

I also agree and understand that there are many other calls on the time of members and that therefore the amount that they are able to contribute is limited and restricted by such pressures of time. Those who are retired-as am I-do have more time at their disposal.

This forum however remains one where I feel "at home", comfortable that our discourse is civilised and good-humoured. There are no ridiculous rules imposed by "over mighty" site administrators as in other forums one could mention (but I won't!!).

A number of years have passed since I visited the Good Music Guide forum so I have no idea how healthy it is. This forum had a more "intimate" feel to it and members have always appeared slightly more "friendly". I really have no interest in indulging in the "one-upmanship" and point scoring that can be a feature of some internet forums. I would prefer to share my enthusiasms rather than to denigrate music I do not understand or which does not appeal to my tastes and I certainly have no wish to criticise directly or indirectly the taste of others. For some vigorous debate and disagreement mean that a forum is more "alive" and interesting. I respect that point of view. Perhaps we do tend to agree with each other on here to an extent which might become "soporific" and if so that is a legitimate criticism but I can only say that I am now past the stage of taking part in debate which can degenerate into personal abuse., yes, there will be quiet periods on here but I do not believe that the forum is "dying" and it is up to us to ensure that it does not. I shall continue for as long as possible to contribute and do "my it". Smiley

Dundonnell, I just wanted to say "thanks" for all you have done for the forum.. I esp. enjoyed your "Complete Orchestral Works"  posts that you provided on various composers.... they were very helpful trying to locate the recordings.
5  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: Is this excellent forum 'dying' ? on: September 16, 2017, 09:30:42 pm
I noticed that 2 other forums have been almost dead for several days recently... I think this forum ebbs and flows, some days more and some less or nothing..   weekends can sometimes have more activity, around the Holidays there can be no activity as folks are busy with the family and friends.    I think it does better than others.
6  Little-known music of all eras / Downloads discussion / Re: The Karelian Roine Rautio on: September 14, 2017, 08:21:41 pm
Speaking of Karelians... I was curious about the Soviet-Karelian composer Gelmer Sinisalo

from wiki:
The following article is from The Great Soviet Encyclopedia (1979). It might be outdated or ideologically biased.
Sinisalo, Gel’mer-Rainer Nesterovich

Born June 14, 1920, in Zlatoust, Cheliabinsk Oblast. Soviet composer and flutist. People’s Artist of the USSR (1978).

Sinisalo graduated from the Petrozavodsk Music School in 1939. He studied composition with N. I. Peiko at the Moscow Conservatory from 1952 to 1954 and with V. V. Voloshinov at the Leningrad Conservatory in 1954 and 1955. In the period 1935 to 1944 he was a member of various orchestras in Petrozavodsk. From 1944 to 1956, Sinisalo was a member of the symphony orchestra of Petrozavodsk Radio; at the same time he served as artistic director and conductor of the Kantele State Song and Dance Company.

Sinisalo taught classes in composition and flute at the Petrozavodsk Music School from 1948 to 1957. In 1956 he became chairman of the administrative board of the Union of Composers of the Karelian ASSR. Sinisalo was the composer of Sampo, the first Karelian ballet (1959, based on themes from the Karelian-Finnish epic Kalevala). His other works include the ballet I Recall a Wondrous Moment (1962), the cantata In Defense of Peace, the symphony Heroes of the Forest, and the suite Karelian Scenes.

Sinisalo has received three orders and various medals.

which he was clearly a Soviet composer...??!?
7  Little-known music of all eras / Downloads discussion / Re: The Karelian Roine Rautio on: September 14, 2017, 03:58:43 pm
one might as well count Beethoven as Dutch or Stravinsky as Ukrainian
Beethoven's family stemmed from Mechelen, present-day Belgium, 'Austrian' Netherlands at the time (and never 'Dutch'). The point of course is, that it was long before the 19th Century created 'nationality'.
What I now learn, is that the son, Roine Rautio (1934-1961), stemmed not from Karelia, but from East Karelia, Petrozavodsk, which was never part of Finland. In that case it's highly unlikely he ever held Finnish nationality.

some history from Wiki:  During the Finnish occupation of East Karelia in the Continuation War (1941–1944), the occupier chose to style the city Äänislinna (or Ääneslinna), rather than the traditional Petroskoi. The new name was a literal translation of Onegaborg, the name of a settlement marked on a 16th-century map by Abraham Ortelius near the present-day city, Ääninen being the Finnish toponym for Lake Onega.

The city was occupied by Finnish troops for nearly three years before it was retaken by Soviet forces on June 28, 1944. The Finns set up internment camps for civilians of Russian ethnicity which they operated until the Red Army liberated the area. Six camps were set up in Petrozavodsk, with 23,984 civilians of Russian ethnicity confined in them. Civilians of Finnish, Karelian or other Finnic descent were not interned into these camps. Some of the camps were old Soviet camps and some only fenced city areas.

In 1977, Petrozavodsk was the epicenter of what is called the Petrozavodsk phenomenon.
8  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Svetlanov Anthology on: September 14, 2017, 03:53:07 pm
Thanks Toby... I see its just Peiko's Symphony no 4.. but this set includes some works that have never appeared in the CD format:  Alexandrov's Symphony no 1,  among others.... several have appeared under the RussianDisc label.   
9  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Svetlanov Anthology on: September 14, 2017, 05:01:27 am
Thanks Toby for the heads up.   Yes I believe this collection is in the $400 USD range.... read somewhere it included all?? of Peikos symphonies??  please let me know
10  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Discarded, withdrawn, suppressed early Symphonies. on: September 13, 2017, 04:31:43 pm
what about Sibelius's  sketches for his 8th symphony... actually the movements were "burned" in the fireplace...or were they??  some fragments were pulled out of the fire and survived... he delegated to his son in law the task of burning them up....  well you can read all the rumors about that, they are on the web.
11  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: I'm back! on: September 13, 2017, 04:24:41 pm
I didn't see anything about that posts about Shostakovich were not allowed??!?

They are allowed, but in moderation, because he is certainly not "unsung" is he. What are not allowed are copyright recordings of performances of his works. Personally I cannot abide any of his wearisome stuff, but that is beside the point.

Yes.. sometimes his symphonies remind me of sour milk.....and some of Prokofiev.. the same...   story about Glazunov walking out of a Prokofiev symphony performance shaking his head back and worth.. muttering "what the hell have we created".....
12  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: I'm back! on: September 13, 2017, 04:46:35 am
Yes... here are the all the rules: 
 there are just a few essential rules:

    No bad language or unpleasant subjects please;
    No discussion of the personal characteristics or motives of fellow members - courtesy must come first;
    Of course nothing illegal;
    Contributors should in general attempt to keep to the subject of the thread in which they are posting - the idea is that each message will refer back to, and expand upon, what has already been said by others;
    If disparaging remarks about the moral character of any musician (living or dead) are posted, a reference to some published authority should be cited as support and justification;
    And no hawkers or canvassers thank you, it is an entirely unsuitable location.

Also please note that new members are expected to make at least three posts in their first two weeks, and the membership of people who have contributed nothing for six months will be automatically cancelled.

We trust that Members will not find these rules restrictive in any way. The great thing is to enjoy the experience!

I didn't see anything about that posts about Shostakovich were not allowed??!?
13  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: I'm back! on: September 11, 2017, 12:27:18 am
Ha !!
14  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: I'm back! on: September 10, 2017, 01:08:03 am
Glad you are back.. think we almost had a memorial thread going...:)The Art-Music Forum > Forum > Various > Miscellany > Kyjo
15  Little-known music of all eras / Notice of interesting concerts around the world / Arvo Pärt Days 2017 01.09.2017 - 11 on: September 08, 2017, 01:36:55 pm
Arvo Pärt Days 2017

    Concerts of the festival dedicated to Arvo Pärt are taking place in Tallinn, Paide, Rakvere, Viljandi and Tartu from September 2 to11. The program of Arvo Pärt Days opening concert, performed by the Estonian Philharmonic Chamber Choir and Tallinn Chamber Orchestra and conducted by Tõnu Kaljuste, includes Arvo Pärt's works of both earlier and later period and creates a thematic bridge between the great Baroque master J. S. Bach and the latest work of a young Estonian composer Pärt Uusberg. YXUS Ensemble (Iris Oja - alto, Marrit Gerretz-Traksmann - piano, Harry Traksmann - violin, Laur Eensalu - viola, Leho Karin – cello) will perform Pärt’s chamber music. Estonian Philharmonic Chamber Choir with conductor Tõnu Kaljuste will perform once again Arvo Pärt’s most extensive choral work „Kanon pokajanen“. Belgian Goeyvaerts String Trio + gives a concert of music by Arvo Pärt and Ivan Moody. Festival will end with Arvo Pärt’s Birthday Concert performed by the British vocal ensemble The Tallis Scholars. The artistic director of the festival is Tõnu Kaljuste.

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