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1036  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: The Dozen Most Neglected on CD Non-British 20th Century Symphonists on: March 15, 2013, 09:36:52 am
Knipper's 4th used, I think, to be quite popular - or to put it more precisely, either it used a pre-existing popular song or part of it became a popular song, because I remember once hearing a French tourist whistling it.
1037  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Russian composer Alexander Krein (1883-1951) on: March 13, 2013, 11:11:59 pm
Oh, now I have heard some of his music, whether on CD or radio I forget. If CD, it is not the "After Scriabin" one. I need to check.

... Checked - a radio broadcast of Symphony No 1, possibly, if not probably, from CD. I also have a CD of music by his nephew Julian Krein (1913-1996), hence the confusion. The symphony, if I recall aright, was rather acceptable.
1038  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: The Dozen Most Neglected on CD Non-British 20th Century Symphonists on: March 13, 2013, 11:07:34 pm
CRI is what I meant! I was aware of that as an LP way back when, but for reasons now forgotten, could not get hold of a copy.

I just listened to Cowell 8 and Cowell 9 on some atrocious recordings from the other place (78s?), and I can't see anyone rushing to make modern recordings. Perfectly attractive, but essentially light music with a symphonic label.
1039  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: The Rise of the Concerto and the Fall of the Symphony in Britain on: March 12, 2013, 08:16:01 pm
I think the issue raised by the OP must to some extent be related to commissioning. Not many composers can afford to indulge in a large project without a commission to pay for the effort. Now, if you are a famous violinist with an interest in expanding the repertoire, what do you do? You turn to a composer you like and say, "Write me a concerto, please". If you are a conductor, you don't say, "Write me a symphony, please", you say, "Write me an orchestral piece, please". Which can be anything. So the scales are weighted towards concertos.
1040  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: The Dozen Most Neglected on CD Non-British 20th Century Symphonists on: March 12, 2013, 08:09:41 pm
Fernstrom was one of my favorites, till I heard this:

http://youtu.be/s_yJH5VNdb8 - [link adjusted to the short form]

John Fernström - Work: Symphony No.11, Op.77 "Utan mask" (1945)


This just keeps crashing for me about 10 mins in.
1041  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: The Dozen Most Neglected on CD Non-British 20th Century Symphonists on: March 12, 2013, 05:53:05 pm

His icelandic symphonies are peculiarly un-icelandic!! Memo! Stick to Jon Leifs!! Or,even Bjork!!! Grin Grin


Is his Icelandic symphony available anywhere? I know there used to be an old CRO (?) LP, which I never got to hear.
1042  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Lesser known followers of RVW on: March 12, 2013, 05:49:51 pm
he Stanley Bate's Viola Concerto has been described(or criticised) as almost excessively VW-like. Bate was, of course, another pupil of RVW.

I would not have said the same about his symphonies or Piano Concerto, but I take your word for it.
1043  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Lesser known followers of RVW on: March 12, 2013, 08:58:25 am
Depends what you mean by "follower". I wouldn't have associated Bate's music with RVW. One composer who has been suggested as strongly influenced by RVW is actually Joly Braga Santos in Portugal.

Incidentally, my father once had tea with RVW.
1044  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: The Dozen Most Neglected on CD Non-British 20th Century Symphonists on: March 12, 2013, 08:52:34 am
Eshpai...derivative...to who? That is rather dismissivef or a such a fine composer IMHO.
He music sparkles..

Listen to the central section of the 1st movement of Symphony no 2, which is a lift from Prokofiev's 3rd. There is also a point in either the 4th or 5th (can't remember which) about two pages long, which is by Boris Blacher. And those are just the obvious cases, so I suspect the existence of more.
1045  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Symphonists in the consolidated lands of the Western hemisphere (Northern group) on: March 12, 2013, 12:42:16 am
Incidentally has anyone here heard anything by Dennis Busch? (He of the supposedly 600+ works in an idiom not far removed from Rossini). His name does not occur anywhere on this board that I have found so far.
1046  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: The Dozen Most Neglected on CD Non-British 20th Century Symphonists on: March 12, 2013, 12:37:46 am
Fernström is certainly deserving of more attention. His chamber music (string quartets, mainly) has been reasonably represented on CD, but we definitely need to hear more of his orchestral output. Actually, three of his symphonies have been recorded (the 6th, 11th and 12th).

Oh, now where is the 11th recorded? I only knew about the 6th and 12th (and the string quartets; well, a few of them).

I first came across Fernström via his Concertino for Flute, Small Orchestra and Women's Chorus (!).
1047  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Symphonists in the consolidated lands of the Western hemisphere (Northern group) on: March 11, 2013, 07:47:56 pm
Even admirers of Phillip Glass will admit that his music is repetitous, boring to some..yet hypnotic to others.

Or as I heard someone put it recently, "what you get if you start Microsoft ArpeggioTM and leave it running for half an hour".
1048  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Louis Glass on: March 11, 2013, 07:43:28 pm
Sounds like someone needs to burgle the archives of the Aarhus SO ...

Of the symphonies I've heard, the 3rd is the most attractive by far. I've also listened to some of his piano music and string quartets, which I'm afraid didn't make a big impression.
1049  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: The Dozen Most Neglected on CD Non-British 20th Century Symphonists on: March 11, 2013, 07:37:05 pm
Some comments on the names proposed so far:

Cowell: I would love to like his symphonic output after hunting it for so long, but I keep being disappointed. Considering how striking his piano music is, his orchestral music, such as I have been able to hear, seems anaemic.

Karamanov: A fascinating figure, but the only works of his I've been able to hear have been in rather poor performances; so hard to assess.

Danish composers: I agree that Bentzon is much more important than Klenau, and really terribly under-performed. Maybe his huge output is daunting?

Eshpai: Really? I agree his music is enjoyable, but it is rather derivative and I wouldn't make any great claims for it. He might also be the original target of the dismissive phrase memorably used of average Soviet composers that their music amounted to "Tchaikovsky-and-Benzedrine".

Dutch composers: I would bother too much about Pijper, but where is Cornelis Dopper? Only two of his seven symphonies are available on commercial release. There is a barnstorming performance by Mengleberg of the superb 7th (Zuiderzee) in 1940s sound, and it REALLY needs a good modern performance on CD (there was a recent Dutch radio performance). Sad, sad neglect, of a composer with potentially great popular appeal.

Swedish composers: Yes to Rosenberg! But another name is missing is John Fernström, who I think is one of the most neglected composers in proportion to his ability. Twelve symphonies, only two of them recorded so far as I know.
1050  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: British Symphonists on CD: The Winners and the Losers on: March 11, 2013, 08:55:01 am
It ought to make sense to the record companies - if people are going to buy Arnell, the same people are going to buy Jones, you would think.
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