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1  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Unrecorded British Symphonies: an update on: March 18, 2019, 02:56:26 pm
My personal definition of "completist" in this context involves the completion of cycles of the symphonies of composers some of whose symphonies have been recorded on commercial cd. The only exception in my list- which I acknowledged was neither "complete" nor "definitive" -was Iain Hamilton.

I am also a realist. None of Bourgeois's symphonies is on disc and there is absolutely no realistic prospect that his complete symphonies will ever be recorded - however worthy they may be. For me to have added 116 Bourgeois symphonies to the 33 I listed would have been, frankly, ridiculous.
I repeat it is not definitive, it was not intended to be. Anyone can add to it. I might have added a number of living and very active composers- John Pickard, to name but one.

Fair point.  His first seven symphonies were all radio broadcast on the BBC so should have the same chance of being released in cleaned up by Lyrita like they've done with other releases.
2  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Unrecorded British Symphonies: an update on: March 18, 2019, 01:36:15 am
I'm a completest too but why do you ignore Derek Bourgeois?  You are a semicompletist.  He deserves his place. 
3  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: February 11, 2019, 01:20:53 am
The Scottish composer Thomas Wilson's Symphonies No.3 and 4 on Linn Records. This is most definitely my kind of music: serious and requiring concentrated listening, modern but accessible. The 3rd is the more enigmatic of the two with some Bartokian elements but a lot of scurrying string work and cross-rhythyms. The 4th is the more "accessible" and is really quite magnificent. The RSNO premiered all three works on the disc (the third is "Carillon" for orchestra) under Sir Alexander Gibson and Bryden Thomson but cannot have performed them for years (Wilson died in 2001). The young conductor, Rory Macdonald, is the son of a very good friend of mine and had to prepare the orchestra, rehearse and record in the space of the usual two days; not easy!
https://www.linnrecords.com/recording-thomas-wilson-symphonies-nos-3-4

Strongly recommended to anyone who has a taste for late 20th century British symphonies!

The excerpts sound excellent!  I want to hear more...Thanks for calling it out! 
4  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: February 10, 2019, 01:16:48 am
Today I've listened to Close Encounters of The Third Kind (a masterpiece), Ligeti's Atmospheres, and right now listening to Lyatoshynsky's Symphony No. 1.
5  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: February 06, 2019, 03:25:46 pm
I am not at home, I am in London working (which is why this is in haste), but if this piece is available to purchase on a Bridge cd then reposting it from You Tube is against the policy we have on this forum- a policy we clearly re-established and restated last year.

I have assumed that other works posted on here recently from You Tube are taken from radio broadcasts. If so then that is fine. This one however seems clearly to be on a commercial cd.

I forgot, so I need to delete the post?
6  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Stephen Watson on: January 22, 2019, 01:21:46 am
I don't see any mention here of English composer Stephen Watson (b. 1955) who has a strong Ralph Vaughan Williams feel.  His music is lyrical, dramatic, and expressive.  This recording is worth checking out but I don't see much more information about this living composer. 


https://www.heraldav.co.uk/product/stephen-watson-o-captain-my-captain/

7  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Immanent closure on: January 15, 2019, 03:29:44 pm
This thread reminds me of the opening credits in Monty Python and the Holy Grail when it says "Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked".
8  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: (Some) Twentieth Century British Symphonies not yet on cd: an update on: January 15, 2019, 01:05:47 am
"Maximum opportunity" meaning exactly what?


Well, they have a recording and are holding it.  I don't think I can answer when they will release it but I assume they are holding it to release when it is most beneficial to them.  Ask them.
9  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: (Some) Twentieth Century British Symphonies not yet on cd: an update on: January 14, 2019, 01:38:03 am
To expand on my post above:

Nimbus have recorded the Symphony No.9, op.140 (2016) along with the Double Concerto for Violin, Viola and strings, op.122 (2013) and the Variations on Bach's Chorale "Die Nacht ist Kommen" for strings, op.40 (1986) with the English Symphony Orchestra under Kenneth Woods. The release is planned for "early 2019" (although one has learned to be cautious about such statements!).

Chandos recorded the Symphony No.8, op.131 (2014), "A Vision of the Sea" for orchestra, op. 125 (2013) and "Toward Sunrise" for orchestra, op. 117 (2011-12) in November 2017 with the B.B.C. Philharmonic Orchestra under Jac van Steen.

The first performance of the new Concerto for Orchestra, op.151 is planned for May.

There are only a very few, short orchestral works of David Matthews-mostly for small orchestra or for strings-which have not been recorded Smiley

Fascinating.  It seems as though the industry records but waits until the maximum opportunity to release the recording.  So we need patience. 
10  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: (Some) Twentieth Century British Symphonies not yet on cd: an update on: January 13, 2019, 12:42:43 am
Did David Matthews Symphony No. 9 get recorded?  It's been several years since it was composed so I would imagine it's out?
11  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: (Some) Twentieth Century American Symphonies Not on CD (again!) on: January 09, 2019, 03:29:28 pm
Thank you for this information.

What this means is that in terms of the music Arnold Rosner wrote for full orchestra, ie excluding music for symphonic band or choral music. the unrecorded works are:

Partita for orchestra, op.33 (1966)
"Perchance to Dream" for orchestra, op.45 (1969)
"A MyLai Elegy" for orchestra, op.51 (1971)
Concerto Grosso No.2 for orchestra, op. 74 (1979)
Consort Music for orchestra, op.80 (1980)
"Transformations" for orchestra, op. 87 (1990)
Variations on a Theme by Frank Martin for orchestra, op. 105 (1996)
Concerto for harpsichord and strings, op. 113 (2000)

These could all be fitted onto two cds Smiley


What about the piano concerto or was that recorded?
12  Little-known music of all eras / Notice of interesting concerts around the world / Re: Rautavaara Two Serenades for Violin and Orchestra on: January 09, 2019, 01:10:13 am
Wonderful news!  He was a very fine composer and is missed.
13  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: (Some) Twentieth Century American Symphonies Not on CD (again!) on: January 09, 2019, 01:05:38 am
Since the earliest orchestral piece included in the List of Compositions on Rosner's website is the Piano Concerto No.2, op.30 (1965) I think that you are almost certainly correct.

I asked the moderator of the website about the early works and that is what he responded.  Surprisingly, he was the composer Carson Cooman. 
14  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: (Some) Twentieth Century American Symphonies Not on CD (again!) on: January 08, 2019, 04:15:32 pm
Is it neglected?  What's your criteria for that?
No one plays Rosner's music and less than a handful of his symphonies are available..



The first part of your statement is-very sadly correct- but there are now four of his eight symphonies on disc and these are the four later, mature symphonies. Nos. 1-4, which have not been recorded, date from 1961-64 when Rosner was a student aged 16-19 years of age.

......and there are plans to record more of Rosner's music, including his very substantial Requiem of 1973.

I understand that the juvenilia work either does not exist (destroyed by composer) or not in a performance state.  It sounded like we'll never get No. 1-4 or the first piano concerto.
15  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Prokofiev - early unknown symphony on: January 08, 2019, 04:13:28 pm
Isn't that article just talking about the 3 minute fragment already recorded and linked in the second post?
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