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Assorted items / Rare scores / Re: Rare MS Music Scores versus published music scores.
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on: December 22, 2016, 07:06:32 pm
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therefore, if a particular symphony or concerti is still in the MS format, chances are that it has never been performed or recorded. Not at all. A great many works exist only in MS score with the parts not printed but written by a copyist or copyists, yet they have been performed and continue to be performed using those parts. And copyists' parts are perfectly usual for many works where the full score has been printed, though the string parts (on the whole) tend to be printed - which is why these are sometimes the only parts of some works which survive. "Published" does not, of course, necessarily mean "printed".
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Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: The Bells - Holbrooke vs Rachmaninov
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on: November 16, 2016, 03:23:28 pm
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it strikes me that Holbrooke's setting comes far closer to the intended unsettling atmosphere that Poe envisaged than the more lushly romantic Rachmaninov I couldn't agree more, John. As I have probably said before, the two glaring omissions from Holbrooke's orchestration in the BBC recording are the concertina and the mushroom bells. The former has a very important part which is quite exposed sometimes, so one really misses it. The latter add a very special and solemn timbre; although they do mostly play at the same time as the tubular bells they play different notes in the chords and, reading the score, their absence is audible. There is a set of mushroom bells at the ROH, Covent Garden, I believe. I am sure they would have loaned them if asked.
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Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: Gaze Cooper website
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on: October 19, 2016, 01:49:57 pm
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Such recordings as there are are private ones, usually of mediocre quality, and not generally available. There are some on this forum. There are no commercially available recordings of his music that I know of, apart from that of the oboe concertino which I helped produce for Cameo Classics.
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Assorted items / Commercial recordings (vintage, new and forthcoming) / Re: Joseph Holbrooke from CPO
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on: October 18, 2016, 07:23:13 am
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I think Joseph has got an unjust reputation for overscoring: for throwing as many instruments as possible into the pot, kitchen sink and all. A study of his scores shows this is not the case at all. A large orchestra is sometimes called for, but the instrumentation, even in the most complex of his scores, is no more excessive (and I would contend less so) than in many orchestral works by Mahler or Richard Strauss, or other roughly contemporary composers. There is in fact more percussion in Vaughan Williams' 8th symphony than in any score by Holbrooke, including The Bells, while Mahler and Strauss call for more "out of the way" instruments more often than Joseph. Moreover, Jo also uses many of these extra instruments sparingly and tellingly, often producing passages of chamber like delicacy in the midst of large scale works. Because he liked them, and wrote well for them, Jo frequently asks for a large woodwind section, including saxophones. He was a masterly orchestrator and knew very well the sounds and timbres he wanted to produce. It is a shame that the same care in adhering to his called for instrumentation is not accorded to him as it is to performances of pieces by Mahler or Strauss. If we could hear what the composer wanted us to hear we would perhaps arrive at a better judgement of his worth. I think this is being done with the CPO disks and I very much hope we shall get more from that company.
As to Gwyd's bassoon, I will ask Jean when I next speak to her.
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Assorted items / Commercial recordings (vintage, new and forthcoming) / Re: Joseph Holbrooke from CPO
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on: October 17, 2016, 05:56:41 pm
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The full instrumentation is not used on the Marco Polo disks. And Gwyd was quite right: the BBC did not use the full orchestra specified by Josef for their performance of The Bells. No mushroom bells, though these specifically play different notes in chords with the tubular bells. No deep bell in C. No steer horns - and a host of other omissions, most serious of which is the concertina which has a very important part and one which is quite exposed sometimes.
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