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781  Assorted items / Individual composers / Re: Joseph Holbrooke (1878-1958) on: May 07, 2021, 02:21:51 pm
The two Marco Polo cds of his orchestral music,are still up there with my favourite and most played Holbrooke cds. Despite some of the ribbing they get in some quarters. I like the selection of music played on the two cds. The musicianship,while a tad rough and ragged at times,has a nice feel of commitment from the performers. There is also a nice feeling of pioneering zeal. In fact,I like the recordings very much,despite their,obvious,shortcomings. The performance of Byron is the main disappointment,for me. I quite enjoy listening to it;but it just comes over as flabby and,almost as if they were beginning to get bored! Gareth will know more!! The other cd has a rather short playing time;and you'd think they could have included an appropriate filler? Someone suggested The Wild Fowl! Is that still extant? But I do enjoy the cd. A bit of a raggedy band,but I feel that sense of pioneering zeal;and it's one of my favourite Holbrooke cds. I have to say,I just love the Dylan Prelude. Nothing like Wagner. I hear an astringency in the more stormy,turbulent moments,which,actually,make me think of late Sibelius,at times. I would love to hear it with a really first rate orchestra! Also,I do like the choice of Sidney Sime for the artwork. Very appropriate,when you consider that he was a friend of Holbrooke's and,like Joseph,a fellow devotee of Edgar Allan Poe. Of course,the recordings of some of these works on Cpo and that Lyrita cd,are smoother and sonically superior. But I like the rough and tumble at times!! And those Marco Polo cds were my introduction to this music. I even wrote a fan letter to Gwydion Brooke after hearing the first one;and got a very nice letter and free Holbrooke Lp in return! :)
Those Cpo recordings are superb,of course! Both Dutton cd's are excellent. Although the cd of Aucassin and Nicolette suffers from a somewhat dry acoustic. Although,it doesn't bother me! :)
782  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 07, 2021, 01:51:56 pm

You know your exposition's,Lionel! ;D I'll have to bear this in mind. Incidentally,does Beecham observe it in his recording? He was known for taking liberties with music scores. Of course,they were different times,I suppose?!

I have Beecham's 1942 recording with the New York Philharmonic and, off the top of my head, I don't know if he observes the exposition repeat. I will check later and let you know. I am aware that he also recorded it in 1953 with the Royal Philharmonic but I don't have that  :o  A review in The Gramophone by Richard Osborne states that in this recording, Beecham does not observe the repeat. It certainly wasn't the general practice to do so until quite recently; those who do observe it (other than Previn) include Abbado and Bernstein (to my knowledge -- there may be others, of course).  It seems bizarre not to, especially as Mendelssohn went to the trouble of writing twenty-three bars of music to engineer the repeat which go unheard if it's not observed.
Thank you for your reply! While I was posting this I was wondering whether you might want to shoot me for not knowing this? ::) ;D Of course,I could do the job myself. But Britain not being America,it might be a little more difficult? Although,if I did possess one and try,I'm sure the armed police who arrived would very graciously (and bloodly! :o) do the job for me!! ;D I have to say,if I worried about all the liberties Beecham appeared to take with scores my Beecham listening pleasure would be severely culled! What do you think of allowing Beecham this shocker,just for once........'cos he's Beecham,and "Beecham's Beecham",as some might say?! Shoot all the others,though!! ;D I have the Abbado,by the way! The Abbado box of the symphonies is a lovely set,imo! That said,this is where your knowledge of music is far superior to mine. Full of useless facts (Salzedo composed the music for the Open Universite fanfare!  ::)) but nothing as useful as knowing my exposition from my a*** (I was going to type that,but in lieu of recent notes,perhaps I'd better not?!!) A**** are very useful,though! I'm sitting on one,right now!! :o ;D
783  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 07, 2021, 01:05:42 pm
Kienzl: Don Quixote Thomas Mohr (bar) James Wagner (ten) Michelle Breedt (mezzo-sop) Celina Lindsley (sop) Hans Aschenbach (ten) Thomas Hay (bass) Mathias Henneberg
                              (bar)  Andreas Kohn (bass) Kirsten Blanck (sop) Gabriele Schrekenbach (alto) Anette Taube (sop) Nora von Billebeck ((sop) Tatjana Sotin (alto) Marion
                               Nickel  (alto) George Taube,Thomas Kober (ten) JörgSchneide,Michael Timm (bass) Rundfunkchor BerlinRunfunk Sinfonieorchester Berlin/ Gustan Kuhn
                               
 
                                                                                                                                                                                           
Wow! :o :) :) :) This is great!! If you like epic operas filled with sumptuous sounds this is the kind of opera I like to hear! I suppose some of the orchestration might be described as Straussian? (It is unfortunate that one needs to find a comparison,in order to describe orchestration?) But,it's more like the Strauss of Der Rosenkavalier or Capriccio. As opposed to Die Schau Ohne Schatten,let alone Salome or Elektra! No this is more refined,paired down;but with some big,fat,sumptuous sounds when required) Kienzl's lavish orchestration includes parts for a cow horn,four guitars,Castañuelas (castanets)multiple woodwinds,two harps,a huge complement of strings,eight trumpets and eight horns. There are orchestral interludes and,in the tradition of grand opera,a major ballet in the central act. (Although the ballet doesn't interrupt the opera. The action continuing in sung dialogue which runs in parallel to the dance). Oh,and lots of rousing choruses (naturally)! The recording is,appropriately,lavish and very well sung indeed! Thomas Mohr is excellent in the lead role,having a sonrous baritone voice. He was Hans Heiling in the Marco Polo recording;which confirms my feelings that the Marco Polo was the finer of the two Marschner recordings. Someone (I forget who?) described Mohr's voice as "school of Fischer-Dieskau. And I can hear that in his singing. In an ideal world,this really is how rare and neglected operas should be heard! I quite like Kienzl's opera Der Evangelimann (which some contemporary observes thought would outlive Humperdinck's Hansel and Gretel). But this opera is superior,imo,and has a quite different feel and sound world. Needless to say,the score is full of imaginative ideas and orchestration. I must admit,I was a little worried that there is a falsetto role for bass in part of the opera. But no need to worry it's performed well. And it's not like Ivan Rebroff,in Kleiber's,otherwise excellent,recording of Die Fledermaus (He ruined it,for me!) There is nice fat booklet with lots of readablte notes (Unlike some of those Cpo booklets!) about the composer,the opera and it's performing history (or,perhaps I should say? Lack of one!). And the cd has a nice card slip case and a lovely Honoré Daumier of Don Quixote and Sancho Panza on the front.
I got another nice surprise when I opened the package that contained this set. It was new and shrink wrapped! (Albeit,some,very minor shelf wear,visible) It was listed as "Pre-Owned!). And I got it for  a fraction of the usual price.  All in all,I am most impressed! :) :) :) :) :) :)                                                                                                                                                                   
784  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 04, 2021, 07:38:42 pm


André Previn at the peak of his conducting powers and the LSO at their best. What's more, Previn observes the exposition repeat in the first movement of the symphony. Those that don't should be taken out and shot. Oh, all right then; "roundly condemned"!  ;D

Among many other felicities, Previn gets the LSO to produce a real pianissimo worthy of Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic at their best. It's depressingly rare that you hear a real pianissimo from an orchestra these days...
You know your exposition's,Lionel! ;D I'll have to bear this in mind. Incidentally,does Beecham observe it in his recording? He was known for taking liberties with music scores. Of course,they were different times,I suppose?!
785  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 04, 2021, 07:31:59 pm
Daniel Jones: String Quartet No 1   Delmé Quartet (from the Chandos set of the Complete String Quartets)

This is an example of one of those deleted cd's (set in this case) for which Sellers ask horrific prices! :o It took me a few years to find an affordable copy. I'd almost given up hope,and........lo,there it was!! :o While Chandos offer it as a download,I think the set,seriously,deserves a reissue! It would make a fine complement to the ongoing Lyrita series. These are serious quartets. Music for the mind! More brooding and introspective,than outgoing! You won't find any rhumba's here! ;D Not,really,for idle listening......but it is possible to read a book while listening! :)
786  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 04, 2021, 05:35:37 pm
Schubert: Trout Quintet!  Piano Quintet in A major,D667      Clifford Curzon (pno)  Members of the Vienna Octet (Willi Boskovsky,on Violin)   Decca

I remember I first heard this on a Decca Lp belonging to my grandparents. One of those thick old vinyl Lp's! (Like dinner plates!) They had a big old radiogram,with a crackly volume control. One careless twist of the (Warning! Possibly,offensive word alert?! ;D) knob would result in an excrutiatingly,loud crackle!! I had to remember to turn it very slowly (the volume control! ;D) as they were old people;and I didn't like the noise it made much,either!!  ::)
A wonderful performance. The cd is paired with the String Quartet in D minor,D810. Death and the Maiden to simple folk like me.......and easier to remember!! ;D

787  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 04, 2021, 04:56:25 pm
Imagine paying some daft price and then Music Magpie have a copy for a a couple of quid?!! ::) :(

Sometimes, you just do get lucky.

It's the same with music scores: I acquired one of only 50 copies ever printed (at the composer's expense) of the vocal score to Stanford's opera Savonarola for £20 from somebody who clearly didn't know just how rare it was, scanned and uploaded it to IMSLP, and sold it on to a dealer...

https://imslp.org/wiki/Savonarola_(Stanford%2C_Charles_Villiers)

 ;)

Those were happy days.

 ::)
You can be lucky! Only a few days ago,I bought the Cpo set of Wilhelm Kienzl's Don Quixote opera. It appears to have been deleted now. At any rate,Sellers are asking hefty prices. I couldn't even afford it,when it was,readily,available. Then,suddenly,ebay had an affordable copy. I groaned when I saw it,to be honest! ::) I've been trying to stem my cd purchases. But what could I do at such a low price?!! Resist?!! ;D Now,that's a rude word here!! :o
788  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 04, 2021, 04:48:35 pm
American here, trying to figure out what the naughty proper English word was so I can use it, too, employing my flawless British accent from watching too many British mystery series (sometimes with subtitles)!

It was "knob", Jim. I hope you manage to slip it in sometime (to a sentence, I mean)! ;D
Knob as in Knob of butter!
789  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 04, 2021, 04:46:38 pm
Playing now! Bartok:String Quartets      Tokyo String Quartet       Decca Eloquence 2 cds
790  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 04, 2021, 04:38:25 pm
So,it's software 'yelling' "Language Timothy!" :o
791  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 04, 2021, 04:19:36 pm
That's Dale's problem, I think, in a nutshell. I seems to me that The Flowing Tide is (if I remember my 'O' Level Geography correctly) more of an oxbow lake.  ;)
Poor old Ben Dale! :( To give him some credit,I'd rather listen to some of his instrumental & chamber music than allot of the Tippett,I've heard! Even if he did have his own distinctive soundworld!!

Rawsthorne is another of those composers who I often think I should investigate further but I never seem to get around to it somehow. As someone who can, himself, be gnarly and astringent, I'm sure I would enjoy it.  ;D
Rawsthorne's music is,surprisingly,approachable and,even,tuneful,at times! The Piano Concertos! The Finale of the Second Piano Concerto sports a rhumba! The Second Symphony has a tune I couldn't get out of my head for a few days! The Symphonic Studies.....Street Corner! Gnarly and a little terse or astringent at times. But there's none of the tortousness of Tippett,you'll be delighted to hear!
792  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 04, 2021, 04:14:55 pm
I did think of that! But I couldn't be bothered to re-type it!! ;D Imagine if this was the old (Official) Radio 3 Forum? I thought I could get past them by typing,b**** or d**! But they'd they'd delete the post!  :( ;D
793  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 04, 2021, 03:49:49 pm
One can dream,Lionel!! ::) ;D I think the recording of Hans Heiling is pretty good! That's the one I'd go for! For the reasons in my,fairly short,post!! :) The Opera D'Oro live recording of Der Vampyr,undoubtedly,has a finer cast,than the Capriccio set (and dialogue). But the extraneous noise and the knob twiddling of the sound engineer,during the Overture,are too much of a distraction,to my ears! ::)
794  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 04, 2021, 03:18:53 pm
Luckily,I've got it! The price asked by some Seller's for deleted cd's is ridiculous! I wonder who I got my s/h copy from?! Music Magpie I presume?!! ;D Imagine paying some daft price and then Music Magpie have a copy for a a couple of quid?!! ::) :(
795  Assorted items / General musical discussion / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: May 04, 2021, 03:00:57 pm
If you say you have nothing against nuns, I presume you didn't attend a Catholic school.  ;)
;D
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