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1  Various / Miscellany / Re: Idiotic Comments on Composers or Music! on: September 22, 2017, 02:31:57 pm
I went looking for performances of the Sibelius 7th on You Tube.I found a performance from the 2013 Proms with the Mahler Chamber Orchestra conducted by Daniel Harding. Unfortunately the video includes the intro' by the ineffable, dreadful, asinine Katie Derham.

Having commented on Sibelius's later silence as a composer Ms Derham says:

"You know, I always think that it is amazing that Sibelius, who most active as a composer in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, should have lived long enough to hear Elvis Presley".

...and with that thought in one's mind begins one of Sibelius's most profound,beautiful and moving compositions

Am I alone in finding this woman and her ignorant comments insufferable?
And another,definite.No! Katie Derham,and her like,is one of the reasons I don't listen to Radio 3 anymore,unless it's something I've seen in the listings,or been alerted to,and wish to record! Yuk!! Roll Eyes I had a friend,when I was a youngster,who used to torture me with his massive Elvis collection. Now,I'm in my fifties,I quite enjoy the odd,more up-tempo Elvis hit,if caught accidentally on the radio. I'm not a fan,though. I think he was massively overrated and his slow numbers were dreadful! If you like that sort of thing,I think there were better rock and rollers! (I remember quite enjoying watching Chuck Berry,at Xmas,I think?!) I suppose it's just that,from this distance in time,whatever I think of him,he just seems a bit better than the people they call pop stars,now! Fair play! Shocked Grin The nearest Sibelius got to rock being granitic monoliths like the Seventh. Mind you the idea of Sibelius sitting listening to Elvis in his armchair does evoke amusing mental pictures! Sibelius rocking around the clock!! Grin (The clock strikes two,Sibelius two.....doop-doop-shooboodi-wap!!) Grin Grin (Bill Haley,of course)
2  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita futures on: September 19, 2017, 06:26:14 pm
cilgwyn, there is a very lengthy discussion of the timings of Arnold's Seventh Symphony on this forum......somewhere Roll Eyes The search engine is no help in finding it but it is somewhere-I should know since I wrote the initial and very, very lengthy post Grin Grin I think that I also posted about it on Musicweb but we are going back a few years!!

Arnold's timing for that first broadcast performance was quite extraordinary. In fact he effectively turned the symphony into a different work! Every conductor since seems to have ignored the composer's own performance and since he was present (I think) at the recording of the Naxos version one can only presume that he disavowed that earlier reading.

....and the recording on here to which you refer was one of those made by me Roll Eyes It was one of hundreds I made directly from the radio to tape using an open microphone and in those days if the radio was not tuned absolutely exactly then there could be interference (as in picking up police radio). This is an unfortunate feature of a number of recordings I made in those distant years.......40 years ago in fact Roll Eyes
So.....mea culpa Grin
Thank you for your reply. I will look for those posts,and the one's on Musicweb. I actually found the interpolations from the police rather amusing! Grin As I said,I used to love twiddling around with my radios as a youngster. The police actually shared the vhf band with the BBC radio stations back then!! Yes,an absolutely snail paced performance. Unlike his recording of the Fourth,I'm not sure there is any real merit to this approach. Astonishing to compare the timings of all the commercial recordings with Arnold's. I think his 1960 performance of the Fourth and 1968 Sixth are well worth listening to,though.
3  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita futures on: September 19, 2017, 03:49:40 pm
I wonder if Lyrita have a better recording of Arnold's premiere performance of his Fourth Symphony,with the BBC Symphony orchestra? I recorded it off Youtube,along with his performances of No 6 and No 5,with the BBC Northern Symphony Orchestra;for my own use,I might add. They make for some very interesting listening,and comparisons with his commercial recordings of No's 4 & 5,on Lyrita and emi. The 1960 recording of the Fourth is in poor sound,though. Albeit,perfectly listenable (add a little bass via the hi-fi remote). I think some of these could make an interesting Lyrita release. I listened to Arnold's performance of the Seventh recently;after being alerted to it by Christo. Without checking the timings on the cd-r I made,Arnold manages to make the symphony last about twice as long as Rumon Gamba (whose performance,I do like) is admittedly on the manic side! The recording uploaded here,for which I am very grateful,includes some bizarre intrusions from what sounds like a Scottish police officer,via his walkie-talkie (?)!! Not that I minded that much. I used to love fiddling with radios as a youngster,picking up all kinds of odd messages from various places and radio stations in distant countries, So,a bit of nostalgia for me!! Grin I wonder if Richard Itter made a better quality recording,though? I recently bought the Lyrita cd of Arnold conducting his Fourth symphony. I got rid of my original cd some years ago. Listening to it again,after a gap of several years,I don't know why I didn't like it. The slow tempi,I suppose? I also seem to recall thinking that those intrusions in the final movement didn't work for me. Now listening to the performance I feel Arnold's slow tempi are what is so good about the performance. The percussion in the first movement sounding more ominous,the slow tempi adding to the tensions below the surface. I actually now regard this as my first choice for a recording of this symphony. I think his 1960 performance would come second. Not sure about his snail paced Seventh,though? Maybe too slow for a symphony like that? Handley and Gamba's tempi seem more appropriate. A cleaner recording,without strange interpolations,might help make up my mind?!!

Any thoughts here,I wonder on Arnold's earlier recordings of No's 4 & 5 and his recordings of No's 6 & 7? I certainly enjoyed the experience of listening to his 60's performances of 4,5 & 6. Not sure about No 7,though. Is it too slow?!! Also,the wisdom of a commercial release (on Lyrita?) of some,or all,of these performances?
4  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita Bax on: September 19, 2017, 03:09:20 pm
I was going to add that,while I think it is more interesting than I thought it was,I must admit I won't be rushing to buy it! Yes,I wouldn't mind hearing another performance of Winter Legends,but not having limitless funds I too will defer on that one! Sad Interesting,though.
5  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita Bax on: September 18, 2017, 11:21:41 pm
Unfortunately,in my case,not really! Roll Eyes I just feel so much Bax has been made available on cd,including orchestrations,completions and an early attempt at a symphony orchestrated by a certain conductor (or something like that?) much as I like Bax at his best,I really can't muster any interest whatsoever!! Roll Eyes On the other hand I would have loved to have seen the BBC recording of Holst's opera,The Perfect Fool,released on cd for the first time (for example)! A major gap in the Holst discography,I note....and,imho,very enjoyable!

I'm really looking forward to the forthcoming Fricker Symphonies set,though. Now,that's something to really get me jumping up and down! Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
Actually,I've changed my mind. I blocked off some websites to stop me being tempted into buying too many cd's and dvd's (password's in the attic! Sad Grin)during "idle" surfing!! Looking at the Lyrita cd on Amazon,I think that it will be rather interesting to hear another performance of Winter Legends,that I haven't heard. I rather like Harriet Cohen's performance now and again. I also do enjoy Winter Legends;particularly in the Thomson performance. I know some people find the score a bit 'purple' for their tastes;but that's what I like about it. It's not often a British composer wears his heart so openly on his sleeve. I think it's a wonderful score.

As to Thomson vs Handley. With due respect,I think we'll just have to agree to disagree!
6  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: I'm back! on: September 13, 2017, 08:18:37 pm
Hey, he's gone again. Angry

Or is it just that we shouldn't expect the 5-10 daily posts we were formerly used to? Cheesy
By the way,I'm back,too! Some of you,with very short memories,may remember me from my last post on September 10th,before I mysteriously disappeared for the last two days,leading to absolutely no debate as to my personal welfare or whereabouts,let alone a "Where's that blighter,Cilgwyn got to?",thread!
I'm now going to mysteriously disappear and reappear again..........possibly,in a couple of hours time....months,days or years?!! (Haven't decided yet!) I may return with a new "nickname"If you see a new member posting here under the name of Houdini,it could be me? Alternatively,it could be that the great man has finally brought off his greatest ever trick?! If you see two new members posting under the name of Houdini,that could be awkward!! Sad Roll Eyes
7  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: I'm back! on: September 10, 2017, 04:49:24 pm
I decided to change my username back to kyjo for old times' sake Smiley
Back by popular demand?!! Grin Yes,a disappearance that has stimulated much debate;and,indeed,a dedicated thread. It reminds me of a pub I used to go to. I remember not going there for a few months. When I finally went back,I mentioned this to a chap who always used to lean on the bar,there. He looked at me in surprise. "Really?," he said,"I didn't notice!" Sad
I wonder if anyone finds Cilgwyn unwieldy? It's Welsh,and pronounced Kill-gwin,by the way. It's a small hamlet in North Pembrokeshire in West Wales. I spent allot of happy times there as a youngster. It just came to mind when I was trying to think up a user name. I'm not an imposter by the way!! Grin At least,I don't think I am?!! Undecided Roll Eyes Grin I'll just go and check me fingerprints,now. You never know!! Sad Shocked
8  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: I'm back! on: September 07, 2017, 01:08:37 am
Well,fancy that! Shocked Welcome back,kyjo...oops (Oh,BrianA's done that one! Sad Grin),Atterbergman. We've missed you! Smiley Smiley Smiley
9  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita Bax on: September 01, 2017, 02:11:59 pm
Nah,Bryden Thomson's the best! Grin Smiley
10  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita Bax on: August 31, 2017, 03:18:50 pm
Unfortunately,in my case,not really! Roll Eyes I just feel so much Bax has been made available on cd,including orchestrations,completions and an early attempt at a symphony orchestrated by a certain conductor (or something like that?) much as I like Bax at his best,I really can't muster any interest whatsoever!! Roll Eyes On the other hand I would have loved to have seen the BBC recording of Holst's opera,The Perfect Fool,released on cd for the first time (for example)! A major gap in the Holst discography,I note....and,imho,very enjoyable!

I'm really looking forward to the forthcoming Fricker Symphonies set,though. Now,that's something to really get me jumping up and down! Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
11  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: Truly Bizarre behavior at Unsung Composers on: August 10, 2017, 07:43:03 pm
The Ministry of Silly Talks,though? I like that!! Grin
12  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: Truly Bizarre behavior at Unsung Composers on: August 10, 2017, 07:07:35 pm
Oh dear,I didn't mean that to be taken literally! Huh Roll Eyes I was merely alluding to the surreal nature of their decision making process over whether a particular composition,or composer,meets their "remit"! It really does strike me,as being like,something out of a wierd comedy sketch! That doesn't mean that I actually find the people who run that forum,or post there particularly funny. Not after the way they treated Dundonnell,anyway! I might add,that I don't actually find Monty Python very funny,either;but that's beside the point!

Oh,well! We're all one,big,happy family here! Smiley
13  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: Truly Bizarre behavior at Unsung Composers on: August 10, 2017, 01:57:19 pm
I note one of the posts by one of the moderators there, informing members that if they are unsure whether a piece of music meets their remit,they should pass it onto them so that (in their words) "the music in question can be sampled and (if) it accords with our guidelines, then it is a legitimate subject for debate here"!! In a thread releating to the Cpo release of Louis Glass' Symphony No 5 & Fantasie op 47,it's suitability is weighed in the balance.......being,"written in 1920.. which is clearly outside the barrier of 1918"! In a following post this inoffensive symphony by Louis Glass gets the all clear! "Yes,but it's also clearly written in a romantic style. So, no problem". Thank goodness for that,then!! Grin I wonder if his Sixth symphony will meet their "remit",when Cpo get to it (and hopefully,they will!)?!

It's like something out of Monty Python!! Huh Grin
What they do or say doesn't bother me,particularly.After all,it's their forum! It's just interesting behaviour. It reminds me a bit of that psychiatrist at the end of a certain episode of Fawlty Towers. "There's enough material here for an entire case conference!" I'm not suggesting anything,I should point out! Grin On a more positive angle;they've obviously done allot of sterling work on behalf of Raff;and some of the posts,that meet "their remit";are very interesting indeed. They also like allot of music by Spohr,Rubinsten,and the,aforementioned,Raff!! Smiley I don't really understand how they could possibly fall out with someone so genial,good humoured and diplomatic as Dundonnell,though?!
14  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: Truly Bizarre behavior at Unsung Composers on: August 10, 2017, 11:58:48 am
I note one of the posts by one of the moderators there, informing members that if they are unsure whether a piece of music meets their remit,they should pass it onto them so that (in their words) "the music in question can be sampled and (if) it accords with our guidelines, then it is a legitimate subject for debate here"!! In a thread releating to the Cpo release of Louis Glass' Symphony No 5 & Fantasie op 47,it's suitability is weighed in the balance.......being,"written in 1920.. which is clearly outside the barrier of 1918"! In a following post this inoffensive symphony by Louis Glass gets the all clear! "Yes,but it's also clearly written in a romantic style. So, no problem". Thank goodness for that,then!! Grin I wonder if his Sixth symphony will meet their "remit",when Cpo get to it (and hopefully,they will!)?!

It's like something out of Monty Python!! Huh Grin
15  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Josef Labor 1842-1924 on: August 09, 2017, 02:03:31 pm
I like Franz Schmidt's Clarinet Quintet in A Major. Available on the Marco Polo label,with a playing time of 60' 07''. The final (fifth) movement,being "Variations on a theme of Josef Labor: Allegretto grazioso".
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