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1  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita futures on: July 19, 2017, 05:20:49 pm
I would have thought so,too! I did actually shell out on some multiple copies of Mozart operas and Mahler symphonies a while back. I wish I hadn't! Not because,I don't like them;but because now I've got them,like allot of collectors,I don't find it easy too part with them...and they take up room!!  As time goes on,I might gradually part with some of them. It is interesting listening to different versions;but I don't think I will be doing that one again!! Three or for versions at the most,is quite enough! I know that there are people at the GMG who have multiple cycles of virtually every (if not all) the Mahler symphonies available. I didn't go quite that far..........otherwise I'd be typing this at an internet cafe!! Sad Grin  I just chose a few of the most interesting recordings of each symphony. In fact,the only complete Mahler cycle I own is that of Abravanel! Taking another example. Holst's The Planets. It is surprising how different interpretations can often be. Play Herrmann,then Steinberg,for example!! I like listening to Holst's own recordings,and Sargent's recording with the BBC Symphony Orchestra. The first recording I ever actually owned on Lp. I also have the Emerson Lake and Palmer 'interpretation' Shocked Grin....but there really are only so many recordings I really need,or can afford,of that work,wonderful as that old warhorse,undoubtedly is! I also,have several recordings of Beethoven symphonies. Some of these recordings are what are termed as 'historic'. For example,the Weingartner,which was the first complete cycle ever recorded by a single conductor. I have some by Beecham,Richard Strauss,Fried,Karajan,Erich Kleiber,Wyn Morris (once dubbed,the "Welsh Furtwangler") and Zinman. The only complete cycle's I have are that of Weingartner,and Karajan's sixties traversal. I don't want every single recorded cycle,though. Even if I could afford them,or find the room. If I could find the room,or money,I must admit,I wouldn't mind adding a little Furtwangler? Although,that reminds me. I've got his famous Ninth on my pc,somewhere?! I don't think I'd want any others,really. At least,I hope not! Another example? I have more than one copy of Vaughan Williams' symphonies. I have the Haitink and Previn recordings of the Sinfonia Antartica,and the two recordings by Boult. I also have the Barbirolli,Henry Wood,Dan Godfrey,Hickox and Boult recordings of the London Symphony;and it is, undoubtedly,interesting to compare and enjoy these performances. The only complete cycle I have,though,is the stereo one,by Boult. Again,I'm not sure I would want another complete cycle? On the whole I prefer to stick to a few interpretations of a work,which particularl interests me,at the most. Of course,if I had piles of money I suppose I could buy every Vaughan Williams cycle available? I could even go so far as to store them in a separate wing of my house!! As it stands,I will have to either rig up some W.Heath Robinson contraption,or just do as Dundonnell does.....and buy recordings of works that I don't have;or at least in satisfactory recordings.

All of which brings me back to the forthcoming Lyrita releases of Daniel Jones and Fricker!! Grin
2  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita futures on: July 19, 2017, 02:07:59 pm
Oh dear,here we go again,then!! So even a Rubbra admirer,with an Avatar like yourself,Dundonnell,isn't too thrilled!!! It does seem a waste of money and time,when they could be releasing music that isn't available on cd. It is very hard to follow their line of thinking here. I am grateful for what they are doing,however! I recently received the cd of Symphonies 1 & 10 by Daniel Jones. I would have bought it earlier,but I've had to watch the pennies a bit,of late!! Sad Grin For anyone who still thinks that their recordings of Daniel Jones symphonies,downloaded here,are perfectly adequate;be prepared for a shock! There is simply no comparison! The Lyrita transfers are a revelation!! Symphony No 1,in particular. Vandermolen referring to it as 'Sibelian'. I find it very engrossing. Very satisfying. What a tremendous first effort. But,I enjoyed the tenth,as well. These transfers really bring home what a great cycle of symphonies a recording label like Bis is missing out on. And the BBC NOW!! More fool them,I say!! Roll Eyes Grin I will be ordering The Lyrita cd of Symphonies 2 & 11 as soon as I am able to!! Baliff's,or not!! Angry Grin
3  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita futures on: July 19, 2017, 11:06:42 am
I notice,that Lyrita are also releasing cd of Rubbra being released in August. Have these works been available on cd before?

Sinfonia Concertante
Violin Concerto
Cyril Scott: Consolation (Rubbra Playing the piano)

I believe I've got a cassette with an off-air recording of Rubbra conducting his own Fourth Symphony on it. I notice it doesn't seem to be listed in the music lbrary here. I must transfer it to a cd-r. I like recordings of composers conducting their own music. Perhaps it will help me to crack Rubbra,too?!! Grin
4  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita futures on: July 16, 2017, 01:09:34 pm
Thank you very much for your very detailed reply,Dundonnell. So,some of the recordings could be quite old? A question,now. Approximately,when did Itter begin making stereo recordings? It would be a pity if some of these have to be presented on cd, for the first time,in mono,when it would be to their advantage,to be heard in stereo. I don't mind mono recordings. In fact,I rather like them. But some people don't. People nowadays rather expect a recording to be in the best possible sound quality;and certainly,at the very least,in stereo! On a more philosphical level,I'm sure that,even if any of these symphonies were recorded in mono,they will be of very high quality. And,please note,I'm not an ingrate! Roll Eyes Grin I'm just making some points. I will be as grateful as anyone here to have these symphonies on cd. I'm also pretty confident that Lyrita would not allow anything to be released on cd unless it was of an appropriately high quality.

I listened to the first three Fricker symphonies again last night. I have to say that I could not agree with calyptorhyncus less! Grin I think these are marvellous symphonies.Well,at least the first two are. After reading calyptorhyncus' post I must admit,I did concentrate on the second symphony. I find this music very absorbing. It really draws me into it's soundworld. It keeps my attention throughout,and has,at least to my ears,all the hallmarks that make a real symphony;all the way to that very thrilling finale. And I will lay my cards on the table here. I think the finale of Fricker's second symphony is one of the most thrilling finale's of any British symphony. It really is quite viscerally exciting! Edge of the seat stuff. That's how good it is. I also like his slow movements. The quiet bits,if you like! I find them very haunting. They really seem to get right into the corners of your mind. In their own,somewhat,ascerbic way,they really are quite beautiful. But not in the obvious way! What also surprises me,is the fact that Fricker isn't the kind of composer that usually appeals to me. Cooke,Wordworth,and even Rubbra,I'm afraid (and my apologies to Dundonnell) are not really my cup of tea (as they say!). That 'greyness' of texture. It all seems a bit too monotone for me. I need a bit more colour! Daniel Jones,for example. His music is very craggy,in some ways;but he relieves the texture with a surprising amount of orchestral colour. It can even be quite ear tickling at times. For example some of the orchestration in his eighth symphony is quite dazzling. Another example. The second movement of the Fourth. And so on. So why do I like Fricker? Well,apart from the fact that his orchestration can be quite suprising. The use of pianos and harps. Exciting use of percussion,on occasion. Suprisingly,it's not even that. What particularly attracts me to Fricker is his thrilling use of the orchestra. The tautness of his creations. His movements are just so power packed,so full of energy. At times,it just seems to be simmering away under the surface. Even in the slow movements. Or perhaps a momentary respite? The energy in the final movement of the second is a case in point. It occurs again,in the third symphony.Which I have left till last,for a reason. The creative energy seems to burn at a slightly lower level than in the first two symphonies. But again it's there,and the ferocity breaks out. The first movement for example. I'm afraid I had to stop listening before I got to the final movement,but I will have another more attentive listen,later on!

The other composer I like who,is,at least to my ears,the closest in sound to Fricker (of all the composers in my collection) is Peter Mennin. Again,there is a certain 'greyness' of texture. As a matter of fact,I feel that Fricker's orchestration is pretty colourful by comparison! But like Fricker,Mennin's music seems so full of energy.The finale of the Fifth,the first symphony I ever heard by this composer,is similarly power packed and thrilling! It's final pages an edge of the seat ride to the finish!
5  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita futures on: July 15, 2017, 02:32:01 pm
Oh,I like both....but I think the Second is even better. I remember being excited by the third when I first heard it. I taped it off the radio in the mid 90's,I think? The last time I listened to it,I felt it was a bit of step down after the first two. The finale of the Second symphony is particularly exciting. I wonder whether the Fricker Fourth will be in Stereo? The first three have all been broadcast,fairly,recently. I'm not sure when the Fourth was last broacast. I think the off air recording here is of a much earlier broacast?
Incidentally,if Simpson can have his cycle of symphonies available on cd,I really don't see why Fricker shouldn't?
6  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita futures on: July 15, 2017, 12:31:47 am
After several unanswered posts on the 'Fricker' thread,at the GMG,I have to assume that,with the homourable exception of vandermolen,who likes about two of his symphonies,there is absolutely zero interest amongs all the members there! Sad Oh well,more fool them!! Grin I can see a pre-order for a 2 cd set in the offing! Smiley Smiley Smiley
7  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Lev Knipper Ballet "The Beautiful Angara" (1962) on: July 14, 2017, 02:19:06 pm
I quite like some of Knipper's music. I wish I didn't,of course! Roll Eyes The ballet music of Boris Asafiev is popular in Russia,apparently. Or,at least it was? I keep hoping Melodiya will release their recordings of it on cd. It's not great music,but I recorded an off air tape of some excerpts from the recording some years ago,and I found it quite enjoyable,in an undemanding way. The music for The Flames of Paris draws it's inspiration from Rameau,Lully and French Revolutionary songs. I remember Collets and the Russian Record Company always had the Lp set in their lists.
8  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita futures on: July 14, 2017, 02:01:34 pm
Hooray! Yeeeeee-hoooo!! As they say! Roll Eyes Shocked This is extremely good news,indeed. Perhaps they're reading your posts,Dundonell? (I believe they have responded to some posts,before?) I received the Daniel Jones cd of Symphonies 1 & 10,today! Unfortunately,I had to resist for a while. Needless to say;after the off air tapes here,for which I am very grateful;hearing Jones' Symphonies 1 & 10 in such excellent sound has been a revelation. I also feel compelled to say what impressive,satisfying symphonies they are. They really are that good. You just sit there listening to them and think,"Why,oh why,hasn't this been recorded before?!". I think the BBC NOW should be performing them,regularly. Indeed,they are part of our heritage here,in Wales! As to the Fricker symphonies. I have become more and more impressed by his music. I made a cd of some of the shorter orchestral pieces recently,and I think some of them would make a very worthwhile follow up cd. The symphonies,though,are impressive edifices. Very absorbing;and not without colourful orchestation. Some of them use the piano and harps as part of the orchestra. The finale of the Second is viscerally very exciting. I could go on!! Roll Eyes Grin These are very satisfying and absorbing symphonies;and,actually,not that difficult to listen to. Look,even I can handle 'em!! Shocked Grin
9  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Radio Moscow Chimes on: July 09, 2017, 01:22:30 pm
And don't forget Moscow Nights,with that balalika,which they always used to play in the interval before the news. I used to like the way it went up-tempo towards the end. Moscow Mailbag was another highlight. The program and the presenter actually surviving the thaw! I used to drive my mother and sister mad tuning into Radio Moscow on their Bush transistor radio. You could actually hear it on Medium Wave,late in the evening,back then. I wasn't a Communist,incidentally,it was merely the frisson of listening to the 'enemy'. I was also a very keen DX'er. I used to love listening to the rolling news on VOA (Voice of America). They used to play Yankee Doodle before the news. The BBC World Service Lillibullero. Now it's considered jingoistic. They were stirring tunes,though. I loved hearing them. World Harvest Radio,the evangelical broadcaster which blasted the shortwaves with a very powerful signal used a very stirring rendition of Onward Christian Soldiers.The rest of their schedule filled with ranting ministers preaching the gospel and "Your right to bear arms"! Shocked
10  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita futures on: June 30, 2017, 07:49:43 pm
Definitely Holbrooke! Grin I listened to those recording recently,and I did enjoy them!
And I feel I must add,Holst's opera,"The Perfect Fool". I find this opera very entertaining. The libretto might be a problem,but I don't really bother with it. I just listen to the singing and the music,which is very colourful and imaginative. I think it's quite fascinating to hear how the ballet music fit's into the original score. I actually prefer this opera to "At the Boars Head" or "The Wandering Scholar". I remember I used to keep pestering chandos to record it! I remember they said they would suggest it to Andrew Davis;but nothing came of it.....or the Holbrooke,they kept on telling me they were interested in recording!! And now look at what's happened to them!! Roll Eyes Sad
11  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Alun Hoddinott Symphonies on Lyrita ?? on: June 28, 2017, 04:42:24 pm
I think "difficult" is the wrong word,really. I don't actually find Hoddinott "difficult". However,while some of it is lyrical,even richly so,in a dark,celtic kind of way;it also has that abrasiveness,which Dundonnell refers to. I can write,draw,read and carry out various dull,repetitive household tasks  Grin while listening to Daniel Jones,Mathias and allot of Grace Williams,and even Fricker! Hoddinott,however,is a composer I really have to put everything down and listen to. Not such a bad thing,and that's the way I should be listening,anyway! you might say?! Unfortunately,I have other things I need to do in the evening which mean I can't always listen that way! Also,I'm not sure his line of "abrasive modernism",as Dundonnell refers to it (if that's the right term?) really appeals to me. That said,there is undoubtedly allot of gorgeous orchestration there. Indeed,it is probably that mix of "angular modernism","abrasiveness" (or whatever you should call it?) colour and rich lyricism which makes him so,undoubtedly,intriguing and why people like me will keep on trying! Daniel Jones,is,admittedly,more my cup of tea though!
12  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Alun Hoddinott Symphonies on Lyrita ?? on: June 27, 2017, 11:58:13 pm
I really am going to have to have another listen now,aren't I?! Indeed! You hear of Mathias,Williams,Hoddinott and Jones;even though their music doesn't get quite the attention it deserves. David Wynne's reputation,however,and his music,appears to have slipped away into obscurity. Bryden Thomson,no less,conducts the recording of his third symphony. Inspired by Caerphilly Castle. It's structure is based on it's concentric design!
13  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Alun Hoddinott Symphonies on Lyrita ?? on: June 27, 2017, 04:43:41 pm
Abrasive modernism is a good way of describing some of his music. I think he is the most 'difficult' of the 'big four' Welsh composers. Although,David Wynne probably gets that accolade,from what little I've heard. Unlike Hoddinott,I'm afraid I haven't really found anything that interesting,that I've wanted to try again. Although,I must admit I have. Wynne's music seems to inhabit a soundworld typical of a certain period c 1960's,particularly,that I find unappealing. All the more disappointing,as his music had been on my 'want to hear list' for years! (Maybe the quality of the sound files doesn't help,however;and he was prolific. Maybe there's something in his  output I might like?) Alun Hoddinott,on the other hand uses allot of very colourful orchestration in his music,indeed. There is also a dark,sometimes quite rich,lyricism there which is genuinely appealing and approachable. But disconcertingly in the same work,of which the Fourth Symphony is a prime example,the abrasive modernism you speak of!!

Of course,there's always Karl Jenkins;who allot of people (judging by his sales) seem to find extremely approachable!! Grin
14  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Alun Hoddinott Symphonies on Lyrita ?? on: June 27, 2017, 02:28:03 pm
Funnily enough,once I got used to Fricker's soundworld (for want of a more techical description,not being a musician) I have found him fairly 'easy' to listen to. His music is a bit 'grey' on first encounter,but subsequent listening reveals some quite surprising 'colour' to his orchestration. Pianos,harps,percussion,exciting drum thwacks. His slow movements are also suprising lyrical,and quite beautiful,in their own way. His music is also very exciting at times,in a visceral kind of way. It's just crying out for state of the art sound to reveal it's splendours. Hoddinott,conversely,is a composer that I do find quite thorny to listen to. You really have to be in the right mood. At least I do. Which is funny really,considering that his orchestration is quite obviously far more,conventionally,colourful than Fricker's. Unlike Fricker's I find I have to concentrate on Hoddinott's music very hard to follow the twists and turns of his thought processes. Fricker I can leave on in the background. I mean,okay it's not restaurant music Grin.but I don't have to think,"Right,I'm going to put some Hoddinott on now,grit my teeth,and brace myself for a tough listening session. Hiis Sixth is probably the sole exception!
Incidentally,I downloaded some of Fricker's shorter works and concertos from the 'music library' here. I put some of them ono a cd-r,and have found most of them just as satisfying and rewarding to listen to as his symphonies. Surely,the recording labels could record something,now they've 'used up' all the unrecorded York Bowen (well,nearly?!!). You won't hum Fricker in the shower;but come on.....he's not that difficult!!

NB: Shock horror! I might have some York Bowen in my collection,again,before long! I've got an EM Records cd of Walford Davies and Bliss Sonatas for Vln & Pno in the post. It's coupled with a 20
      min Sonata by Bowen. I bought it for the Walford Davies mainly,because I enjoyed his Violin Sonata No 2 on a Dutton cd. Who knows? I might even enjoy it?!!! Shocked Grin
15  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: Truly Bizarre behavior at Unsung Composers on: June 23, 2017, 07:04:50 pm
I found the website absolutely horrible. I was quickly banned for telling Alan what I thought of him. . . . Sad the wonderful music is so poorly represented by this person.  But, it's his own little world.
I believe the Unsung Composers Forum originated as a Raff forum (or Message Board?) or as an offshoot from the Raff website? The Raff site is run by the same people who operate and moderate the 'Unsung Composers' forum;and they have also published some books relating to that composer. It seems a great pity,in a way,that such an undoubtedly talented composer,who (whatever your view of his ultimate place in the musical heirachy) can undoubtedly provide allot of listening pleasure for music lovers,is represented by such people!
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