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1  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Franco Alfano - his two smphonies on: October 08, 2018, 07:49:21 pm
Greg K wrote:
While the irrevocable nature of Sydney's "handover" of AMF administration to other members seems evident (even if not explicit), it was advisable that the eventual (rather inchoate) assumption of such authority and duties by Colin and Maris be formally validated by a change in the system password with Sydney's imprimatur AT THAT TIME (the new password being known only to the new administrators).

This not having been done has disastrously allowed the current impasse of discordant understandings and outraged emotions among the parties involved to threaten the forum's flourishing (if not continuance) in my judgment.

There seemed to be no need to change the password at the time of the handover. Sydney not only relinquished the administration of the forum but essentially tossed it in our laps, unbidden, and walked away.

No outraged emotions on my part, nor Colin's from what I've read so far. Sydney seems to be the only outraged voice here. Me, I'm tending more toward bemused disappointment at Sydney's absurd behavior. I find it sadly reminiscent of a certain well-known American politician who refuses to acknowledge past statements and actions even in the light of irrefutable documentation.

Sydney Grew wrote:
On 28th September, when I dismissed Dundonnell, I set a new simple password: just seven letters "s.....W"

This is an absurd statement. I don't know where he thinks he set this alleged password but no one has hacked anything. If Sydney "dismissed Dundonnell" as he claims and then set this new password then why didn't he effectively assume control of the forum at that time, rather than whine about hacking?

This foolishness has gone on long enough. So far, I haven't seen a single public post or private message indicating member support for Sydney's wild accusations, and his behavior has become an unwelcome distraction to members engaged in civil discussion and our shared passion for music. If Sydney has a valid case to make, let him make it now, calmly and clearly, with appropriate proof. Otherwise, the administration will consider more serious measures to put this matter to rest if he persists in violating forum rules and making unsupported accusations.
2  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Franco Alfano - his two smphonies on: October 07, 2018, 06:28:01 pm
It's time to put an to Sydney's wild accusations. Here is the text of the personal message Sydney sent me on March 8th of this year. If he denies having sent this message then either his account was hacked at that time, or he clearly has a severe memory issue. I see no indication in this message that this was intended to be a temporary relinquishment and that he expected to return to administration of the forum. Indeed, in his first sentence he says he is handing over the forum:

Gentlemen (and ladies?). The time has come to hand over the admin of this forum to some one younger. (Specifically, my eye-sight has become poor and it is difficult to read the screen easily.)

No one has so far volunteered, so I think the best thing to do will be to give the password to a few of the most active and responsible members.

I have found that there is very little needing to be done of late - perhaps I should have done much more to develop new features.

So, once you have decided on who will be the new administrator or administrators, he, she or they can log in with the user and password:

[user ID and password deleted]

Please let me know if there are any questions or problems.

Thanks for all the pleasure and interest you have given in the past, and I look forward to much more.

Sydney Grew
3  Various / Miscellany / Re: Warning to all Members on: October 04, 2018, 01:24:49 pm
Thank you for your clear and measured response to Sydney's post, Colin. And thanks to Neil for your blunt and accurate assessment. Sadly, it's a distinct possibility that "Sydney" is no longer Sydney, although that would be a less upsetting explanation than the possibility that there are mental issues coming to the fore.

I am in full agreement with your comments. For the record, I never sought administrative responsibilities on this forum and accepted them with great reluctance due to time constraints. However, I value this forum and consider it an important responsibility to keep it alive and vital.
4  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Imants Kalnins Symphonies Nos. 5 & 7, Oboe Concerto, Santa Cruz on: October 03, 2018, 01:24:42 pm
Thank you for the reminder, Toby. Yes, Aldonis is not related to the others.
5  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Imants Kalnins Symphonies Nos. 5 & 7, Oboe Concerto, Santa Cruz on: October 02, 2018, 09:56:26 pm
Sorry, I could not locate Kalnin's 4th and 6th symphonies here, can you help?
Also there are other composers with the last name of Kalnins in the download section. Were they all family?

Symphonies Nos. 4, 5 & 6 are in this post:,533.msg6333/topicseen.html#msg6333

Possibly you were unable to retrieve it if you weren't searching with diacritical markings.

Jānis and Alfrēds Kalniņ were father and son. Imants Kalniņ is not a known relation of theirs. There is also a composer named Indulis Kalniņ, who is also not related to any of the previous. Actually, one of my paternal grandmothers' maiden name was Kalniņ, again no relation. While not quite a "Smith" or "Jones" it's a fairly common surname in Latvia.
6  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Links to videos of compositions by little-known composers on: October 02, 2018, 09:46:14 pm
My apologies to all for my protracted absence in the midst of this unexpected development. In short, as I've explained to Colin privately, my 89 year old mother has been hospitalized for the past week and I've been attending to her while continuing to work and prepare for upcoming concerts.

I am in full agreement with Colin that Sydney should have no expectation of reclaiming the administration of this forum after definitively relinquishing it earlier this year, nor is it appropriate for him to assume that he can just step back into his role with no consultation, much as he relinquished it with no consultation or discussion.

Further, as I understand the rules of this forum it is a violation of our forum's "prime directive" to post commercially available recordings, regardless of the format. Part of our mission here is to help record companies stay in business and continue to release music and performances we want to hear and own, and not take away potential business from them. Sure, we can all go to YouTube and listen to recordings in the course of considering whether to purchase the actual release. No problem in mentioning existence of such YT uploads here in the course of discussion, either, but let's not load up the forum with the actual recordings, linked or otherwise. We've always been very careful to take down uploads here once it's been shown any particular recording is in print.

Maris ("Latvian")
7  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Imants Kalnins Symphonies Nos. 5 & 7, Oboe Concerto, Santa Cruz on: September 18, 2018, 06:54:47 pm
Actually, all of Kalnins' symphonies, as well as the other works in this new set, are available in our downloads section. The version of the Fifth Symphony is Sinaisky's recording on Melodiya, mentioned in this discussion.

My uploads are at: The first three symphonies were uploaded by another forum member. Just go to the Downloads folder, then to the Latvian Music subfolder.
8  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Imants Kalnins Symphonies Nos. 5 & 7, Oboe Concerto, Santa Cruz on: September 17, 2018, 07:16:48 pm
I first encountered the Fifth Symphony on a Melodiya LP around 1980 and have loved the work ever since. I found the other three works on this new recording distinctly less impressive when Latvian Radio broadcast their premieres a couple of years ago.

That being said, I welcome any new recording of Latvian symphonic music and I hope this one brings Kalnins a wider audience internationally.
9  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Pancho Vladigerove: Violin Concerto #1 on: September 14, 2018, 09:14:06 pm
I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable to comment on the discrepancies in the versions of the First Violin Concerto, but for those interested in exploring more of Vladigerov's works, I've posted a link in the Downloads section (split into two posts since the host puts a limit on total characters in any single post) that will take you to a trove of most of the rest of Vladigerov's orchestral works which I uploaded elsewhere a couple of years ago. All are ripped directly from the original Bulgarian LPs.
10  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Alfred Bruneau - Messidor etc. Does this make any sense? on: September 03, 2018, 06:23:47 pm
This has to be one of the most baffling, pointless, and needlessly redundant releases ever! The music is pleasant and enjoyable, but Lockhart's earlier recording is perfectly adequate.

If someone outside Naxos financed this recording and Naxos is simply releasing it for them, all well and good. But the question remains, why would someone go to the trouble of spending time and money duplicating a relatively obscure existing release (which couldn't have been a huge seller), and do they really expect to turn a profit on the venture? Or is this a vanity project of some sort?
11  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: New Recordings from Dutton on: August 31, 2018, 12:42:20 pm
The completion-in whatever form-of a major masterpiece like the Bruckner 9th or the Mahler 10th, or, in the case of Dutton, Moeran's 2nd or Richard Arnell's 7th (both of which are actually realisations rather than "completions") I can and do cherish enormously. These may not be as the composer intended but they are faithful attempts to do so.

My feelings exactly. I would also add Payne's realization of Elgar's 3rd. Not a masterpiece on the level of Bruckner 9 or Mahler 10, but a work I've come to like very much, nonetheless.
12  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Vaughan Williams 'A Sea Symphony' on Hyperion on: August 31, 2018, 12:39:16 pm
I just don't see any reason to replace Haitink's perfect version but others prove me wrong.  It is perfect in interpretation, recording, and performance.  Moving, elegant, dreamy, longing, monumental...

...My own long time favorite is the Boult stereo version, infinitely more idiomatic than Haitink (who really doesn't "get" Vaughan Williams, - it's an outsider's approach), and Shelia Armstrong & John Carol Case beat everyone else in my judgment (their "Explorers" is just terrific).

I've heard many fine recordings and performances of RVW 1, but none has ever surpassed Boult/Armstrong/Case for me.
13  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: CPO Booklet Notes on: August 17, 2018, 02:39:58 am
But our obligation to and admiration for CPO should not blind us to another of its problems. The company has claimed-on occasions-that delays in the release of particular cds are due to the time it takes to obtain the cd booklet notes from their authors.

This strikes me as an extremely flimsy excuse on CPO's part. I find it difficult to image a company operating on such a casual business model that they're willing to wait years for program notes (and/or translations). Unless they were foolish enough to enter into an ironclad contract with the notes' author that requires them to put up with lengthy delays, I would think that they would just fire the person and find someone else to write the notes more promptly. Surely there are any number of individuals competent to write readable, accurate and informative program notes. Such a relaxed production schedule is amazing!
14  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Azarashvili on: August 15, 2018, 11:25:21 pm
Thank you for bringing this up, Colin. I should have addressed this issue as well in my post(s).  Indeed, unless you are absolutely certain of the safety of such links, DO NOT click on them. A couple of points:

We have no control over the content of banner ads. If it were up to me they wouldn't show up at all, given the possibility of malicious links. However, I'm sure the forum host wants them there for revenue from click-throughs, and if they wind up linking to malware due to other malware present on any user's computer, I'm sure the owner assumes no responsibility.

Probably not everyone sees the same ads. What I'm currently getting are eBay links.

15  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies on: August 13, 2018, 11:34:47 pm
As you expressed your admiration for the music of Ruth Gipps let me also do so for your (I assume) compatriot Janis Ivanovs whose terrific 11th Symphony is one of the major gaps (in my opinion) in the CD catalogue, along with Tjeknavorian's LSO recording of Khachaturian's 1st Symphony (RCA, not the far inferior ASV recording), the Gruner-Hegge recording of Klaus Egge's magnificent 1st Symphony (Norwegian HMV LP), Gordon Jabob's Concerto for Two Pianos (EMI LP) and Bax's 3rd Symphony (LSO, Downes RCA LP).

Yes, Ivanovs' 11th Symphony is indeed a fine work. It's a shame that neither Cameo Classics nor Marco Polo / Naxos ever completed their Ivanovs cycles. Personally, my favorite Ivanovs symphonies are #s 4, 6, 10 and 17, but I love many of the others as well.

I don't think I've ever heard either of the Tjeknavorian recordings of Khachaturian's 1st. I have Gauk's and the composer's versions. A fine work, in any event.

Yes, I love Bax 3 with Downes (and the LP filler, The Happy Forest).

My real name is Maris and I am indeed Latvian.
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