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1  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: CPO Booklet Notes on: August 21, 2018, 09:21:53 pm
No doubt everything you say is true - and I am not criticising the original German text (I am in no position to do so as my German is rudimentary in the extreme). I am criticising the English translation which ought to be designed for native English readers, not for Germans whose English may be excellent but who, quite naturally, will be translating the English back into German when they read, not always consciously.

Of course, I fully agree!
2  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: CPO Booklet Notes on: August 21, 2018, 06:23:29 pm
Indeed, as der79sebas said, reading van den Hoogen's texts in German is no problem with respect to understanding what he says (if you are native German). There is a certain difference between written and spoken German as calyptorynchus mentions, and actually, when I write a text in German it's different from the way I speak as well. However, this

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I understand that an increasingly small and ageing population of academics insist on writing in a style of German which is incomprehensible to most German speakers, even well-educated ones.

is something I would certainly not confirm.

As I said, it's a matter of taste with van den Hoogen's texts. I know there is a good deal of people who enjoy them. That's fine, but they are not my cup of tea. Regarding the two examples Colin gave, to me they sound very much like "German English", and therefore, it might actually be easier to understand them as a German reading English than as a native speaker. I should say I do understand them as well, but I strongly assume this is because I automatically translate them to German when I read them.
3  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: CPO Booklet Notes on: August 16, 2018, 06:45:47 pm
First of all, I do understand the problem very well, though of course, if I read the liner notes I won't care about the English version.

However, I can of course comment a little on the German originals. Eckhardt van den Hoogen is, to say the least, a very special case. I know a good deal of persons – musicologists who opinions I respect a lot included – who pretty much like his style. I must admit that I don't, and I seldom read one of his essays in total. It is all very much over the top in my view, quite the opposite of being prosaic. You already described the content of his notes pretty well, and about the same could be said about the German he uses. He often seems to burst with enthusiasm and then has a soft spot for all sorts of ornaments, images, metaphors, quotes, complicated constructions and related stuff. It is certainly written on a high level of language but at the same time very much at the border of sounding mannered.

I see the problem about Susan Marie Praeder's translations, and of course the sentences you quoted should have never been translated like that. On the other hand, when you talk about rather translating the "sense" of the original, it is also true that the original is overloaded with images and all sorts of extras, and a good deal of van den Hoogen's writing is actually very much about finding just these images (kaleidoscopes etc.). It already sounds a little strange or, say, special in German, and translating it is probably a very hard task.

Personally I do prefer a more sober and fact-oriented approach, and this would certainly be a lot easier to translate.
4  Little-known music of all eras / Downloads discussion / Re: Finnish music on: August 13, 2018, 09:40:55 pm
Many thanks for providing all these very interesting recordings, Maris! As you know, I already had a number of them before (thanks to you, in fact), but I am really happy also to get the complete collection now. This said, there is one little error: by accident, you did not provide the correct link for LP 8 (but gave the one for LP 7 a second time). Anyway, many thanks again for all these treasures!
5  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Azarashvili on: August 10, 2018, 06:22:35 am
Actually, yesterday I clicked the links as well and nothing strange happened at all. It should be added that these are just ordinary YouTube videos, so I cannot see any reason why clicking them should do any harm. Finally, I would like to add that I know rkhenderson for years, also from private conversations. He would never post links to do any harm for sure. No idea what happened in your case.
6  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Babadjanyan String Quartet No. 3 on: August 05, 2018, 09:42:18 pm
Hi Robert,

many thanks for sharing the Levitin LP you are referring to – it is new to me in fact. I am currently in process of downloading it.

You are correct about the many works written in memory of Shostakovich. Of course, Weinberg's Symphony No. 12 and Tishchenko's Symphony No. 5 immediately come to our minds, but in addition there is also Bibik's Symphony No. 4, Gabichvadze's Chamber Symphony No. 4 (= probably Symphony No. 7), Cövdət Hacıyev's String Quartet No. 3 (in fact the second part of a Dilogy in memory of Shostakovich), Mansurian's Cello Concerto No. 1, an Adagio for String Orchestra by Tatyana Smirnova, Tsintsadze's String Quartet No. 9 and still more pieces (including music by non-Soviet composers). That's really quite a bunch, which reflects Shostakovich's stature and influence as seen by his contemporarites of course.
7  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Babadjanyan String Quartet No. 3 on: August 05, 2018, 08:25:02 am
Many thanks! A very interesting work from 1976 dedicated to the memory of Shostakovich (of course, including the D-S-C-H motive) in one continous movement. A sort of long lament, expressive and convincing. Of course, it shows Babadjanian from a more modern side than, say, his "Heroic Ballad", though there are still links to tonality. I am happy to be able to add it to my collection.
8  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Romualds Grīnblats - Rigonda Suite on: August 04, 2018, 11:21:23 am
yes  this is the first time I know of Naxos Records actually streaming a Melodiya recording.

Actually, a while ago they offered a recording of Machavariani's Violin Concerto (Vaiman / USSR Large Radio Symphony Orchestra / Dimitriadi) but it seems to be discontinued.
9  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Karaev "Don Quixote" complete on: August 04, 2018, 11:16:20 am
This is not Qarayev's "Don Quixote" (which is a film score in fact, from which Qarayev arranged his pretty famous Symphonic Engravings which have been recorded several times), but his musical comedy (operetta) "Cyrano de Bergerac" from 1973. The performers can be seen here, for instance:
https://www.discogs.com/Кара-Караев-Неистовый-Гасконец/release/6238726
Basically, it's the Estrade Symphony Orchestra of Soviet Radio and TV and the Soviet Song Ensemble conducted by Yuri Silantiev together with a number of solo singers, of course.
10  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Weinberg - Symphony No.13 on: July 25, 2018, 06:55:57 pm
They seem to claim on the CD that the Serenade is a first recording, but there is an old Melodiya recording with Gauk conducting:
http://www.musiques-regenerees.fr/Vainberg/WeinbergDiscographie.html

Yes, that's true, the recording of the Serenade is the first CD recording but not the first recording of this work at all (unlike in case of the symphony, of course). Actually I have the Gauk recording of the serenade, I think it was once uploaded for one of the forums.
11  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Weinberg - Symphony No.13 on: July 24, 2018, 02:44:52 pm
Oh yes, I am very happy to read this! Thanks a lot for the alert!

Colin, of course you are correct about the remaining unrecorded symphonies. On the other hand, Weinberg is now a composer of a certain recognition, and given that Symphonies Nos. 6, 8 and 18 (all with choir) have already been recorded by Naxos I think there is a good chance that the remaining three symphonies will also come out on CD at some point. I think I once read that Vladimir Lande was planning to record Weinberg's complete symphonies anyway, though I think so far Naxos have concentrated on those which have not been released by Chandos (nothing wrong about this, of course).
12  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Janis Ķepītis on: July 19, 2018, 09:37:18 pm
While I cannot answer the question about the piano player of the recording of the Ķepītis concerto, I do have a comment about the piece itself. I also got it as his Piano Concerto No. 1. After studying the Ķepītis work list provided by the Latvian Music Information Centre, I tend to believe that the piece we have must actually be his Piano Concerto No. 3.

Here is the reason: the Latvian MIC gives the following information about Ķepītis' three piano concertos:

Piano Concerto No. 1 in E Major (1937)
Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Major (1953) – Duration: 37 minutes
Piano Concerto No. 3 in A flat Major "Children's Concerto" (1973)

The concerto we have is definitely in A flat Major, and in its lighter manner and with a total duration of just about 13 minutes, the title "Children's Concerto" would perfectly make sense. I therefore assume that it should actually be the Third Concerto we have. Of course, full evidence would still be needed.
13  About music in general / Performance and technique / Re: Gennady Rozhdestvensky (1931-2018): R.I.P. on: June 19, 2018, 06:47:43 pm
Yes, exactly, Svetlanov and Rozhdestvensky were interested in different stuff at least in parts. For sure, Rozhdestvensky's merits with respect to 20th century composers are enormous (and here, he actually did a lot more than Svetlanov), and his repertoire was truly vast. A great conductor has left us, a real loss.
14  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Obscure Soviet Symphonies... on: April 05, 2018, 07:00:55 am
First, I also like Steinberg's Symphony No. 4 very much, highly enjoyable music. It's a work full of elan, vigour and memorable tunes, pure delight. I knew it as a broadcast recording for quite some years and was therefore very happy about this (still rather new) Dutton disc.

Now, as for the problems with the broadcast recording Maris speaks of, here is the story: this symphony was broadcasted by the BBC in the mid-1990s. A friend of mine (his name is Terry – some of the members here know him) listened to it and already found the first few minutes so exciting that he decided to record the symphony. However, as a consequence, in his recording – which is the one circulating online in various sources – the very beginning of the symphony is missing. Basically it's the slow introduction of the first movement which he didn't record. Anyway, this symphony lead him into collecting Soviet symphonies, and he now has one of the largest collections of Melodiya LPs I am aware of.
15  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Frommel Symphony on: March 24, 2018, 01:56:08 pm
Now this is interesting  I had got the impression that Frommel's reputation was not such as to suggest any recordings of his music...yet here is this new disc.

The world is full of surprises 

Colin, it is true that a recording of Frommel's orchestral music is something of a (pleasant) surprise. On the other hand, it should be noted that Frommel has never been totally forgotten. There is a disc from the late 1990s with some chamber music, moreover all of his piano sonatas have been recorded (some of them even multiple times), and just a few years ago his Symphonic Prologue has been played in concert. I also think his large cantata "Herbstfeier" has been performed not so very long time ago.

Anyway, his First Symphony is a great work, I am glad it has finally made its way onto CD. I have already preordered my copy from jpc.
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