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1  Little-known music of all eras / Rare scores / Re: Russian Composer Chernov, Mikhail, Mikhaĭlovich (1879 - ) on: May 12, 2019, 09:27:07 pm
I heard about this composer for the first time quite a couple of years ago when I got a symphony which was supposed to be his First. However, it quickly came out that this was a misattribution and what I had got was in fact the First Symphony by Gennady Chernov (* 1937). By then, I did some research on whether any music by Mikhail Chernov was available but nothing could be found, and the situation does not seem to have changed. His Third Symphony seems to have have been written for the 1928 Schubert competition which was finally won by Atterberg. Anyhow, getting something by him might be nice, though personally I neither think it is very likely nor do I really expect a major discovery.

By the way, the Ovchinnikov whom Chernov taught is not the famous Vyacheslav who died earlier this year (and who was only two years old when Chernov died) but some Evgeny who is pretty much forgotten today.
2  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: What are you currently listening to? on: February 10, 2019, 06:10:31 pm
The Scottish composer Thomas Wilson's Symphonies No.3 and 4 on Linn Records. This is most definitely my kind of music: serious and requiring concentrated listening, modern but accessible. The 3rd is the more enigmatic of the two with some Bartokian elements but a lot of scurrying string work and cross-rhythyms. The 4th is the more "accessible" and is really quite magnificent. The RSNO premiered all three works on the disc (the third is "Carillon" for orchestra) under Sir Alexander Gibson and Bryden Thomson but cannot have performed them for years (Wilson died in 2001). The young conductor, Rory Macdonald, is the son of a very good friend of mine and had to prepare the orchestra, rehearse and record in the space of the usual two days; not easy!
https://www.linnrecords.com/recording-thomas-wilson-symphonies-nos-3-4

Strongly recommended to anyone who has a taste for late 20th century British symphonies!

It's on my buying agenda for my next jpc order later this month. Of course, we have broadcast recordings of the two symphonies in our archives, and I very much agree these are excellent pieces, in particular the Fourth. I like Wilson's music very much in general, other works I would strongly recommend are his Fifth Symphony (I hope a CD recording will appear some day as well!), his Violin Concerto or his "Incunabula" for Piano.
3  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: ary Nurymow on: January 18, 2019, 05:23:47 pm
Could someone with cyrillic searching skills see if anything by this Turkoman compose is available. I have his Symphony No.2 (I think from this forum).

Thanks
Dear  calyptorhynchus
 Here it is:Gazelle for Oboe and Piano
https://youtu.be/YfWTMzibtas
Best

Just for information, this is the piano version of a work which is originally scored for Oboe and Chamber Orchestra more precisely, an excerpt, the complete work lasts about 15 minutes. In fact, its title is "Ghazals", referring to a term from Arab poetry.
4  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Whatever happened to Fritz Brun? on: January 13, 2019, 06:47:33 pm
I bought all the Brun symphonies on Guild whilst they were available from that company Smiley

So did I! Actually I bought most of the discs as soon as they appeared on the market.

I agree that they are powerful works although their somewhat sprawling nature makes them a little difficult to come to terms with I found.

Well, well.....so Unsung Composers is still going is it Roll Eyes

Brun's symphonies are perhaps not really an easy listen, they do have their edges and Brun's language is somewhat "knotty" in general, but I have always immensely enjoyed them, possibly (up to some degree) right because of the peculiarities I just mentioned. Maybe the Seventh is a good start with its journey from the initial "Nachklang" movement on to the stormy and massive finale which is full of conflict, though leading to an optimist and vigorous conclusion. I also like the last two symphonies a lot. Adriano, as far as I remember, called the last one a kind of "Spring Symphony". I think I agree but would maybe tend to add it's early spring which I hear in the music, when nights are still cold and everything is still a bit restrained.
5  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: Whatever happened to Fritz Brun? on: January 13, 2019, 05:03:56 pm
These recordings will be re-released as a CD box by Brilliant Classics in April as Adriano pointed out in a discussion on the Unsung Composers forum. So no need to worry in a few months these powerful works should be available again.
6  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Alexander Tchaikovsky Opera on: December 01, 2018, 04:44:34 pm
Violin Concerto (if anyone knows exact date of composition,i'd be grateful)
https://melody.su/catalog/classic/39989/

It's from 1987. By the way, it has already been released on CD with Viktor Tretyakov and the USSR Large RTV Symphony Orchestra conducted by Arnold Kats as part of a 10 CD set featuring Viktor Tretyakov (Brilliant Classics). It must be noted that Brilliant Classics mislabeled the concerto, claiming the composer was Boris Tchaikovsky. However the violin concerto which they released is in fact Alexander Tchaikovsky's First Concerto.

And yes, Alexander is Boris' nephew, while both have no connection to Pyotr.
7  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyatoshinsky's 3rd Symphony and Grazhyna on Chandos on: November 27, 2018, 04:29:44 pm
I think it is part of a series with Kirill Karabits conducting the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra in selected works from the Soviet Union. At least, this is what the notes for their Karayev disc suggest: "This set of idiomatically lyrical, rhythmic, and colourful interpretations by the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra and its Chief Conductor, Kirill Karabits, who appears on Chandos for the first time, marks the start of a new series dedicated to lesser-known composers from former Soviet Union countries."
8  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Rauf Gadzhiev's Violin Concerto on: November 22, 2018, 08:43:56 am
Dear Dundonnell
In the note of RDCD 11046 has been written that the composer is Tofig Kuliev,however also azer Mamed Kuliyev written a violin concerto
Best


P.S.
Frankly speaking i can't heard entire concerto tonight please check
https://youtu.be/rv1kFHRj77M

That's an error by Russian Disc, they confused the various Kulievs here. The Violin Concerto they released is by the Turkmen composer Ashir Kuliev (Aşyr Kulyew in today's Turkmen alphabet; 19182000) as Mike Herman correctly indicates. It has also been released on a Melodiya LP in the 1980s together with Danatar Khydyrov's First Symphony.
9  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: CPO Booklet Notes on: August 21, 2018, 09:21:53 pm
No doubt everything you say is true - and I am not criticising the original German text (I am in no position to do so as my German is rudimentary in the extreme). I am criticising the English translation which ought to be designed for native English readers, not for Germans whose English may be excellent but who, quite naturally, will be translating the English back into German when they read, not always consciously.

Of course, I fully agree!
10  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: CPO Booklet Notes on: August 21, 2018, 06:23:29 pm
Indeed, as der79sebas said, reading van den Hoogen's texts in German is no problem with respect to understanding what he says (if you are native German). There is a certain difference between written and spoken German as calyptorynchus mentions, and actually, when I write a text in German it's different from the way I speak as well. However, this

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I understand that an increasingly small and ageing population of academics insist on writing in a style of German which is incomprehensible to most German speakers, even well-educated ones.

is something I would certainly not confirm.

As I said, it's a matter of taste with van den Hoogen's texts. I know there is a good deal of people who enjoy them. That's fine, but they are not my cup of tea. Regarding the two examples Colin gave, to me they sound very much like "German English", and therefore, it might actually be easier to understand them as a German reading English than as a native speaker. I should say I do understand them as well, but I strongly assume this is because I automatically translate them to German when I read them.
11  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: CPO Booklet Notes on: August 16, 2018, 06:45:47 pm
First of all, I do understand the problem very well, though of course, if I read the liner notes I won't care about the English version.

However, I can of course comment a little on the German originals. Eckhardt van den Hoogen is, to say the least, a very special case. I know a good deal of persons musicologists who opinions I respect a lot included who pretty much like his style. I must admit that I don't, and I seldom read one of his essays in total. It is all very much over the top in my view, quite the opposite of being prosaic. You already described the content of his notes pretty well, and about the same could be said about the German he uses. He often seems to burst with enthusiasm and then has a soft spot for all sorts of ornaments, images, metaphors, quotes, complicated constructions and related stuff. It is certainly written on a high level of language but at the same time very much at the border of sounding mannered.

I see the problem about Susan Marie Praeder's translations, and of course the sentences you quoted should have never been translated like that. On the other hand, when you talk about rather translating the "sense" of the original, it is also true that the original is overloaded with images and all sorts of extras, and a good deal of van den Hoogen's writing is actually very much about finding just these images (kaleidoscopes etc.). It already sounds a little strange or, say, special in German, and translating it is probably a very hard task.

Personally I do prefer a more sober and fact-oriented approach, and this would certainly be a lot easier to translate.
12  Little-known music of all eras / Downloads discussion / Re: Finnish music on: August 13, 2018, 09:40:55 pm
Many thanks for providing all these very interesting recordings, Maris! As you know, I already had a number of them before (thanks to you, in fact), but I am really happy also to get the complete collection now. This said, there is one little error: by accident, you did not provide the correct link for LP 8 (but gave the one for LP 7 a second time). Anyway, many thanks again for all these treasures!
13  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Azarashvili on: August 10, 2018, 06:22:35 am
Actually, yesterday I clicked the links as well and nothing strange happened at all. It should be added that these are just ordinary YouTube videos, so I cannot see any reason why clicking them should do any harm. Finally, I would like to add that I know rkhenderson for years, also from private conversations. He would never post links to do any harm for sure. No idea what happened in your case.
14  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Babadjanyan String Quartet No. 3 on: August 05, 2018, 09:42:18 pm
Hi Robert,

many thanks for sharing the Levitin LP you are referring to it is new to me in fact. I am currently in process of downloading it.

You are correct about the many works written in memory of Shostakovich. Of course, Weinberg's Symphony No. 12 and Tishchenko's Symphony No. 5 immediately come to our minds, but in addition there is also Bibik's Symphony No. 4, Gabichvadze's Chamber Symphony No. 4 (= probably Symphony No. 7), Cvdət Hacıyev's String Quartet No. 3 (in fact the second part of a Dilogy in memory of Shostakovich), Mansurian's Cello Concerto No. 1, an Adagio for String Orchestra by Tatyana Smirnova, Tsintsadze's String Quartet No. 9 and still more pieces (including music by non-Soviet composers). That's really quite a bunch, which reflects Shostakovich's stature and influence as seen by his contemporarites of course.
15  Little-known music of all eras / Youtube performances / Re: Babadjanyan String Quartet No. 3 on: August 05, 2018, 08:25:02 am
Many thanks! A very interesting work from 1976 dedicated to the memory of Shostakovich (of course, including the D-S-C-H motive) in one continous movement. A sort of long lament, expressive and convincing. Of course, it shows Babadjanian from a more modern side than, say, his "Heroic Ballad", though there are still links to tonality. I am happy to be able to add it to my collection.
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