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1  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita Bax on: September 19, 2017, 10:05:12 pm
The Goossens performance has been on Dutton for quite some time:

2  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Lyrita futures on: September 18, 2017, 09:58:21 pm
I don't think a theme is the same as a melody, though many are. But what I equally admire are - especially mid-20th century - symphonists capable of developing themes that may look rather uncompromising at first sight, and then start to reveal their full potential, melody included.
3  Little-known music of all eras / Downloads discussion / Re: The Karelian Roine Rautio on: September 15, 2017, 07:46:00 am
Mengelberg successfully flattered his audience with that bonmot - an audience that maybe still remembered Brahms' kindly devastating "You're nice people, but bad musicians"  Grin
Didn't know this one, not caring much for Brahms myself  Grin - nor for the German Romantics and later Romantics in general, for that matter.
I do know they considered Britain 'das Land ohne Musik' - where again I myself know no richer musical environment than the British musical world. Which is to say: beauty is in the ear of the beholder.  Wink
4  Little-known music of all eras / Downloads discussion / Re: The Karelian Roine Rautio on: September 14, 2017, 06:04:44 pm
"Beethoven was, like me, a Dutchman" (Willem Mengelberg)  Wink
.... because Mengelberg was a German. Grin I think that in his days 'Dutchman' could refer to all of the Low Countries; now it does no longer.

some history from Wiki:  During the Finnish occupation of East Karelia in the Continuation War (1941–1944), the occupier chose to style the city Äänislinna (or Ääneslinna), rather than the traditional Petroskoi. The new name was a literal translation of Onegaborg, the name of a settlement marked on a 16th-century map by Abraham Ortelius near the present-day city, Ääninen being the Finnish toponym for Lake Onega.

The city was occupied by Finnish troops for nearly three years before it was retaken by Soviet forces on June 28, 1944. The Finns set up internment camps for civilians of Russian ethnicity which they operated until the Red Army liberated the area. Six camps were set up in Petrozavodsk, with 23,984 civilians of Russian ethnicity confined in them. Civilians of Finnish, Karelian or other Finnic descent were not interned into these camps. Some of the camps were old Soviet camps and some only fenced city areas.

In 1977, Petrozavodsk was the epicenter of what is called the Petrozavodsk phenomenon.
Great to learn, many thanks!
5  Little-known music of all eras / Downloads discussion / Re: The Karelian Roine Rautio on: September 14, 2017, 07:27:14 am
one might as well count Beethoven as Dutch or Stravinsky as Ukrainian
Beethoven's family stemmed from Mechelen, present-day Belgium, 'Austrian' Netherlands at the time (and never 'Dutch'). The point of course is, that it was long before the 19th Century created 'nationality'.
What I now learn, is that the son, Roine Rautio (1934-1961), stemmed not from Karelia, but from East Karelia, Petrozavodsk, which was never part of Finland. In that case it's highly unlikely he ever held Finnish nationality.
6  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: I'm back! on: September 13, 2017, 02:30:40 am
Just a reminder to members: please don't forget our rule 2:

"No discussion of the personal characteristics or motives of fellow members - courtesy must come first."
But is he a fellow member - or no longer? #thatsthequestion  Cheesy
7  Little-known music of all eras / Downloads discussion / Re: The Karelian Roine Rautio on: September 13, 2017, 02:22:39 am
Fellow member Tetsugakusha kindly informs me, that: "Rautio's father moved from Finland to the USSR in 1922 because he wanted to be a Soviet citizen, he wrote the anthem of the Karelo-Finnish Soviet Socialist Republic, his son Roine was born in 1934 as a Soviet citizen, lived as a Soviet citizen and died as a Soviet citizen. Roine Rautio could not possibly have had any more connection with the Soviet Union than he really had."

Which is very interesting to read - I myself didn't know anything about Rautio, except for an impression of some of his music. Of course, 'having a connection' with the Soviet Union doesn't change one's nationality - many Europeans in the 1930s had a strong 'connection' and even ended up living in Moscow, but that couldn't change their nationalities - but in the case of Rautio, there's a point. Good to learn.  Wink

8  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: I'm back! on: September 05, 2017, 07:19:46 am
Those of us who were active on this forum during your previous incarnation always valued your well-informed posts, characterised by eagerness to explore new repertoire and by your courtesy towards other members. When you "disappeared" several of us were very sad and expressed the hope that one day you might be able to return. I am sure therefore that I speak for others in warmly welcoming you back  Smiley Smiley
+1  Wink
9  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Havergal Brian's Symphonies Nos. 8, 21 and 26 from Naxos on: September 02, 2017, 10:34:52 am
I cherished my memories with MacDonald as well.  I met him at the Brisbane gothic and enjoyed sitting next to him during the rehearsals and participating in the joy of a major musical event with him.  I belief the brisbane performance was the first in thirty years and no one thought it would happen.  Great to see the cycle is now complete.

Great to hear about the legendary Brisbane Gothic, here. First time IIRC that I read an eyewitness account.  Smiley
10  Little-known music of all eras / Discussion of obscure composers / Re: List of Symphony Composers on: August 28, 2017, 07:19:52 pm
Except that the title will be regarded as a name, not as a number, and 'quotation marks' or other typographical means will be used to indicate the difference. 'Symphony No. 485' is not the same as Symphony No. 485.
11  Various / Miscellany / Re: What's a really good name for a new music magazine? on: August 22, 2017, 08:05:14 pm
That's a good name...  Modern Symphonic Music  ??
Modern Music.

Sounds better than New Music; but, no doubt, already in use? On Modern Music.
12  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: John Pickard Symphony No.5 from BIS on: August 21, 2017, 07:25:32 pm
Found the Pickard symphonies on Spotify - including this newest release - and hope to play them soon. Thanks for this tip; very helpful.
13  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Vaughan Williams' 'Scott of the Antarctic' and two Copland film scores on: August 10, 2017, 08:19:12 pm
I have nothing to say other than this is a great post!  I totally agree.
My wallet actually hates posts like these; have already hundreds of RVW CDs and now this one - will it ever end?  Cheesy
14  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Ongoing CPO projects. on: August 03, 2017, 08:53:03 am
In addition, Porcelijn states in the interview:
- that he supposes the Hendrik Andriessen CD with the Fourth Symphony will be the last of the series ('Dat zal waarschijnlijk ook de laatste blijven.'), which gives little hope of a sequel with Andriessen's other major work (esp. his larger choral/orchestral pieces, or the masses).
- that he considers Badings a more original composer than Van Gilse ('een nog persoonlijker geluid dan Van Gilse').
- that it was the North Netherlands Orchestra, not CPO, that declined his proposal to record the remaining Dopper symphonies with them, but that they will be released anyway, probably with a German orchestra ('Die symfonieën komen op cd, maar we zullen het waarschijnlijk met een Duits orkest moeten doen'.)
15  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Vaughan Williams London Symphony (1920 Version) plus rarities on Hyperion on: July 30, 2017, 12:35:54 pm

I am guessing that one of the rarities on the November Hyperion CD may be Orpheus with his Lute in an orchestral version.  My guess is based on:   and
Does anybody know if this orchestral version is by RVW himself? Have never seen it before.
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