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1  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: "Recent" Toccata Releases on: May 09, 2018, 11:34:31 pm
Interesting...  Would never have guessed that might occur.
2  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: "Recent" Toccata Releases on: May 09, 2018, 06:01:04 pm
How could he not be?  Toccata owns the recordings.  Would Naxos post these to YouTube without his express authorization or instruction?

I presume this a deliberate marketing tool by Toccata/Naxos, - and with me a successful one.  I've purchased perhaps two to three dozen Toccata CD's after first listening to the music on YouTube, most of which I would be unlikely to take a chance on without such allowance. 
3  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: "Recent" Toccata Releases on: May 08, 2018, 04:37:48 pm
So there are videos put up on You Tube in the USA which cannot be watched in the UK? Interesting. I suspected something of the kind.

Folk who post cd recordings of music on You Tube when those cds are still commercially available are helping to kill small record labels imho.There may be an argument that people go out and buy the cd after hearing it in its entirety on YT but how many more will just download the music for free thus depriving the company of income?

The thing is though (as I've just begun to observe), that all the Toccata releases I see on YouTube indicate "provided to YouTube by Naxos of America" (Toccata's distributor here).  They're not being posted by individuals.
4  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: "Recent" Toccata Releases on: May 08, 2018, 02:21:08 am
There are, in fact, a great many Toccata recordings NOT on Youtube. The Cotter Nixon disks, most of the Charles O'Brien releases, Ferdinand Thieriot. Etc.

You may be right, of course (I've not systematically gone through the Toccata catalogue and checked for every CD on YouTube, - just those that interest me), -  but I DO see both Volume 1 & Volume 2 of the Cotter Nixon Orchestral Works there.
5  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: "Recent" Toccata Releases on: May 07, 2018, 04:46:22 pm
There is nothing like having the actual cd on your shelves and you get the booklet notes. Toccata deserve my money to encourage their enterprise.

I agree.  YouTube is no substitute for owning the CD's of music I'm drawn to, and (as you say) the labels need our support to continue their work.
Nonetheless, it's certainly most useful to hear things in advance for the sake of buying decisions, and I don't believe I've ever (a single time) searched
for a Toccata release on YouTube and not found it, so have to believe they're at least complicit in the arrangement.  In the long run, I purchase more
when not wary of making mistakes.
6  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: "Recent" Toccata Releases on: May 06, 2018, 11:09:17 pm
The William Wordsworth cd is due for release on 1st June.

and can be listened to in full on their website  Grin Grin

Which is incredibly generous of the company! Is it wise from a strictly commercial point of view? I don't know. Clearly Toccata think so.

Given that virtually the entire Toccata catalogue seems to be posted on YouTube (with or without their authorization I do not know) commercial considerations would be moot, don't you think?
7  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: David Matthews Symphony No. 8 on: April 26, 2018, 04:53:19 pm
If a tree falls in the woods does it make any sound if there are no ears that hear it?
8  Little-known music of all eras / Books about composers and their music / Surprised by Beauty on: April 10, 2018, 05:14:47 pm
"Surprised by Beauty: A Listener's Guide to the Recovery of Modern Music" by Robert Reilly & Jens Laurson

Has anyone here read through this volume, - apparently a series of about 70 essays (2016 edition) on twentieth-century tonal composers?

Would appreciate any "pocket-sized" reviews as to its quality and perspective.

9  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: Have returned - sorry ! on: April 08, 2018, 07:23:06 pm
But he's not back. 

The "return greeting" was from 2016, - after a previous hiatus.

Clive's present disappearance remains without homecoming (which may not happen given his apparent disgruntlement over the Administrative transition).
10  About music in general / The listener / Re: What are you listening to today? on: April 03, 2018, 07:39:31 pm
OK  on tap for today... is Delius's Florida Suite... I've been stuck on Delius here in the last few days.    Interesting to read about his adventures from England to Jacksonville Florida's orange groves and life in N. Florida and then back again to the UK.     


Except he didn't go back to the UK (not to live, at least, - though permanently as a dead man).

The greatest of his Florida inspired works is "Appalachia" - which shouldn't be missed.  However, there's only one recording that truly nails it, which is the old Hickox/RPO performance (cheap on Amazon but can be tricky to find the listing).  Andrew Davis is truly woeful, and Naxos not much better, while both Barbirolli & Mackerras get only a qualified recommendation from me.  Hickox gets the "ecstatic melancholy" of the piece just perfectly.  It couldn't possibly be bettered.

11  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: Hello, Iím Mirror Image on: April 03, 2018, 05:13:29 pm
One of the curious things about these "Greetings" threads is that in most cases their initiators rarely if ever posted again after introducing themselves.  My own sentiment is that the proper way of announcing one's presence in an internet forum is to just start posting on its various topics of interest (or start one's own) rather than deliberately telling us all about yourself and then disappearing.  There's something affectatious about the latter course, - like the point was to draw attention but not contribute anything. 
12  Preliminaries / Greetings / Re: Hello, Iím Mirror Image on: April 03, 2018, 01:34:59 pm
He came and he went

The reasons given on Facebook for cancelling his membership after just a few hours were that -
he was not given an immediate welcome
the site seemed to him too focused on orchestral music and on composers of whom he had never heard
the site was too quiet

Leaving only a few hours after joining is not giving the site a chance and seems to me unfortunate!

Almost psychotic if you ask me, - or perhaps after all just a little bit immature.

I can only advise Colin to show better judgment in his recruitment choices, hehe.
13  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: David Diamond Symphony No.6 from Naxos on: April 01, 2018, 08:12:21 am
I can only say regarding Diamond that after hearing the extant recordings of Symphonies 7, 9, & 10 (whatever performance and sonic deficiencies may have biased my evaluation), I could understand why Delos didn't find reason to complete a full cycle.  Recording labels typically aren't in the business of extending courtesies (any more than book publishers are).  It's easy to understand why the unworthy works of mainstream composers so often get indiscriminately recorded.  But I wouldn't call the "musical gatekeepers" at such labels as CPO, Toccata, BIS, Hyperion, (and dozens of others we could name) morons.  In fact, their record is quite exceptional when it comes to "neglected composers".  Are you suggesting no standards of quality control are ever justified when deciding what should get an airing, - that the collective obligation among them is to issue everything and let the listener alone have a say as to which works (in retrospect) merited the effort and expense?

14  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: David Diamond Symphony No.6 from Naxos on: April 01, 2018, 03:41:59 am
Good news, of course.  I've not heard the Munch performance you refer to, but will accept by faith it's the "powerful work" you suggest.  OTOH, I did play through (several times each) the downloads of Symphonies 7, 9, & 10 when they appeared on the UC forum some years ago and was decidedly underwhelmed.  It put in my head that perhaps the later Diamond suffered a noticeable falling off from his earlier powers, and that realizing this Delos deliberately limited their recordings to the earlier and more meritorious Symphonies.  Just speculation on my part,  but sometimes though we would like to hear everything by a composer and make our own judgments, those who make such decisions aren't acting arbitrarily but rather have considered the quality of the scores and found them unworthy of the labor and expense necessary for commercial exposure.  Not saying that was necessarily the case with Delos's truncated Diamond cycle, - but it's not implausible.
15  Little-known music of all eras / New recordings / Re: Ongoing CPO projects. on: March 12, 2018, 11:21:46 pm
It's certainly the case that CPO releases tend to have the most prolix, wordy liner notes you are ever likely to encounter.

Is generic vacuousness preferable?

If you read German it becomes evident that ungainly translations can often be blamed for the obscurities and ponderousness.
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