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Title: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Dundonnell on May 30, 2019, 05:04:12 pm
The forthcoming release of the William Wordsworth Piano Concerto sent me back to my lists. I would offer the following 19 as worthy of a first recording:

1937: Alan Bush
1940: Arnold Cooke
1941: Franz Reizenstein No.1
1944: Humphrey Searle No.1
1952: Stanley Bate No.3
1954: Peter Racine Fricker
1955: Humphrey Searle No.2
1957:  Gordon Jacob No.2
1958:  Lennox Berkeley Concerto for Piano and Strings
1959:  Malcolm Lipkin
1960:  Kenneth Leighton No.2
1965:  Wilfred Josephs No.1
1966:  Alun Hoddinott No.3
1970:  John McCabe No.2
           Robert Still
1976:  John McCabe No.3
1977:  Wilfred Josephs No.2
1987:  Iain Hamilton No.2
1994:  Wilfred Josephs No.3

Of course there are others: Denis ApIvor (1948), Francis Chagrin (1948), Ian Parrott (1949), Richard Hall (1951), David Ellis (1962), David Gow (1980)...for example but I have kept to the better known names.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: jonah on May 31, 2019, 10:12:16 am
In the main, I agree with your list and would like the chance to hear those not available elsewhere.
Slightly off topic, I think that there should be a modern recording of Rubbra's Piano Concerto in G.  This a memorable work which I had hoped would have been included in the Chandos Rubbra series.
There was also information given in one of the record review magazines some years ago that John Lill had recorded it for Conifer, but that has never appeared, if it was actually recorded.
Naxos seem to have given up on their British Piano Concertos series, so could Dutton, Hyperion or Lyrita be persuaded?


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Dundonnell on May 31, 2019, 09:20:55 pm
I could not agree more about the need for a modern recording of the Rubbra. John Pickard told me recently that there were rumours of a recording being made in the USA but I know no more about such a possibility.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Gauk on June 01, 2019, 10:03:38 am
The Rubbra concerto is a great work - I suppose it suffers from the lack of bravura in the first movement.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Amphissa on June 02, 2019, 03:33:32 am
So, this is just out of curiosity/interest, why not all the unrecorded concertos by composers from Russia, Italy, France, USA, Germany, China, Japan, etc?

I don't have a list. I'm sure it would be long. Just asking.



Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Dundonnell on June 02, 2019, 03:52:26 pm
So, this is just out of curiosity/interest, why not all the unrecorded concertos by composers from Russia, Italy, France, USA, Germany, China, Japan, etc?

I don't have a list. I'm sure it would be long. Just asking.


The answer to your question is because there is only so much any one person can do. I have a particular interest in British music and hope that others might be interested in my list.

If others wish to work on similar lists of music from other countries then that would be just fine.

Regarding the USA however, there does not appear to be a huge body of American piano concertos written by well-known or relatively well-known composers. I might point out five which have not been recorded:

1944: Roy Harris No.1
1949: Paul Creston
1950: David Diamond
1953: Roy Harris No.2
2006: Benjamin Lees No.3


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: relm1 on June 03, 2019, 01:53:43 am
So, this is just out of curiosity/interest, why not all the unrecorded concertos by composers from Russia, Italy, France, USA, Germany, China, Japan, etc?

I don't have a list. I'm sure it would be long. Just asking.


The answer to your question is because there is only so much any one person can do. I have a particular interest in British music and hope that others might be interested in my list.

If others wish to work on similar lists of music from other countries then that would be just fine.

Regarding the USA however, there does not appear to be a huge body of American piano concertos written by well-known or relatively well-known composers. I might point out five which have not been recorded:

1944: Roy Harris No.1
1949: Paul Creston
1950: David Diamond
1953: Roy Harris No.2
2006: Benjamin Lees No.3

I think the point of your lists is that you are listing composers that YOU care about.  I think that is totally valid.  But when you define a composer as less well known, well...less well known to who?  You!  I can name some very famous composers who are not in your list but that is because you don't know about them.  So this whole topic is subjective and should just be considered as your personal opinion rather than anything definitive which some can interpret this thread as representing. 


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Jolly Roger on June 03, 2019, 05:52:29 am
So, this is just out of curiosity/interest, why not all the unrecorded concertos by composers from Russia, Italy, France, USA, Germany, China, Japan, etc?

I don't have a list. I'm sure it would be long. Just asking.


The answer to your question is because there is only so much any one person can do. I have a particular interest in British music and hope that others might be interested in my list.

If others wish to work on similar lists of music from other countries then that would be just fine.

Regarding the USA however, there does not appear to be a huge body of American piano concertos written by well-known or relatively well-known composers. I might point out five which have not been recorded:

1944: Roy Harris No.1
1949: Paul Creston
1950: David Diamond
1953: Roy Harris No.2
2006: Benjamin Lees No.3

I think the point of your lists is that you are listing composers that YOU care about.  I think that is totally valid.  But when you define a composer as less well known, well...less well known to who?  You!  I can name some very famous composers who are not in your list but that is because you don't know about them.  So this whole topic is subjective and should just be considered as your personal opinion rather than anything definitive which some can interpret this thread as representing. 

I think his musical preferences command much more respect, good heavens, musical opinions will NEVER be objective..


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Dundonnell on June 03, 2019, 02:59:17 pm
Although I read relm1's post last night I decided to sleep on it before responding. My initial reaction-which has only marginally altered-was that it was both offensive and ignorant.

Let me now patiently reply to the points made.

"the point of your lists is that you are listing composers that YOU care about".
No. The "point" of my lists is to highlight particular musical "issues" and, hopefully, inform others who may share my interests. No more than that. They will be of no interest to those who do not....and I accept that. On any forum members will have diverse tastes and areas of interest.
Nor do I simply list composers that I "CARE" about....whatever that may mean.

"when you define a composer as less well-known"
I was not aware that I have ever explicitly done so. I have, very obviously, highlighted composers who are well-known or relatively well-known and omitted others, not, as you suggest, because I "don't know about them" but because any list has to be manageable rather than excessively lengthy and the composers I have included are reasonably well-represented on disc at present.

I quite deliberately and explicitly headed this thread "SOME" unrecorded British Piano Concertos. The choice I made was from composers whose music is reasonably well-represented on disc. I clearly stated that there were other concertos not included in my list of 19. It was-and still is-clearly open to other members to add to the list. Indeed I would have been-and still would be-delighted if others did so. I would thereby learn more myself.

"I can name some very famous composers who are not on your list because you don't know about them".
Really? That is an assumption on your part which is pure assertion. The invitation to identify these very famous composers is very much open. I have always apologised in advance if I omit composers from my lists. I am bound to do so for the reasons given above.

"So this whole topic is subjective and should just be considered as your personal opinion rather than anything definitive which some can interpret this thread as representing"

This is the most damaging and insulting of your statements. Of course my contributions are subjective. Most posts on this forum represent the personal opinions of members. But, more importantly, I have repeatedly stated, in the most emphatic terms, that nothing I write, and certainly no list I have compiled, can ever be regarded by anyone (including myself) as "definitive". I am not so arrogant and I would be utterly appalled if any member regarded any list I have ever compiled as "definitive".

I deeply regret the tone of your post. Over the years I have contributed to this forum I have received nothing but encouragement from others for my contributions and, in particular, for the lists posted. I have never made extravagant claims for them. It is very sad to find myself accused of, apparently, having done so.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: relm1 on June 03, 2019, 03:34:11 pm
Although I read relm1's post last night I decided to sleep on it before responding. My initial reaction-which has only marginally altered-was that it was both offensive and ignorant.

Let me now patiently reply to the points made.

"the point of your lists is that you are listing composers that YOU care about".
No. The "point" of my lists is to highlight particular musical "issues" and, hopefully, inform others who may share my interests. No more than that. They will be of no interest to those who do not....and I accept that. On any forum members will have diverse tastes and areas of interest.
Nor do I simply list composers that I "CARE" about....whatever that may mean.

"when you define a composer as less well-known"
I was not aware that I have ever explicitly done so. I have, very obviously, highlighted composers who are well-known or relatively well-known and omitted others, not, as you suggest, because I "don't know about them" but because any list has to be manageable rather than excessively lengthy and the composers I have included are reasonably well-represented on disc at present.

I quite deliberately and explicitly headed this thread "SOME" unrecorded British Piano Concertos. The choice I made was from composers whose music is reasonably well-represented on disc. I clearly stated that there were other concertos not included in my list of 19. It was-and still is-clearly open to other members to add to the list. Indeed I would have been-and still would be-delighted if others did so. I would thereby learn more myself.

"I can name some very famous composers who are not on your list because you don't know about them".
Really? That is an assumption on your part which is pure assertion. The invitation to identify these very famous composers is very much open. I have always apologised in advance if I omit composers from my lists. I am bound to do so for the reasons given above.

"So this whole topic is subjective and should just be considered as your personal opinion rather than anything definitive which some can interpret this thread as representing"

This is the most damaging and insulting of your statements. Of course my contributions are subjective. Most posts on this forum represent the personal opinions of members. But, more importantly, I have repeatedly stated, in the most emphatic terms, that nothing I write, and certainly no list I have compiled, can ever be regarded by anyone (including myself) as "definitive". I am not so arrogant and I would be utterly appalled if any member regarded any list I have ever compiled as "definitive".

I deeply regret the tone of your post. Over the years I have contributed to this forum I have received nothing but encouragement from others for my contributions and, in particular, for the lists posted. I have never made extravagant claims for them. It is very sad to find myself accused of, apparently, having done so.

Perhaps you should have sat on your response a bit longer if you thought my stating your lists and approach are "totally valid" was offensive and ignorant.  I was defending your lists and acknowledging their are omissions that are subjective. *cough* Derek Bourgeois *cough* 


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Amphissa on June 05, 2019, 12:03:51 am
I was not intending to criticize or even question Dundonnell's original post, and I was satisfied with his reply to my question. He clearly expressed his opinion and offered up his personally chosen list. It's his list. If someone else wants to make a different list, well, do it.

As to whether or not the concertos listed deserve to be commercially recorded, that's a matter of personal opinion. Obviously, Dundonnell believes they do. As to whether labels would consider the investment commercially sound, that's another issue entirely.

I'm not as expert as Dundonnell, of course, but I've heard some of the concertos listed, and I've heard other works by most of the composers. I liked a few of the concertos well enough to listen more than once. Others I disliked intensely and am not happy that Dundonnell reminded me that I wasted hours of my life listening to them.  :-\

Would I actually buy CDs of any of these concertos? Would anyone other than a completist buy CDs of any of these concertos? Of course, those questions have ZERO relevance to Dundonnell's original post. He would. What is there to argue about?







Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Dundonnell on June 10, 2019, 11:59:12 pm
My apologies for taking so long to respond to the last two posts. I have been very busy preparing for a visit to London and for the (non-musical) research I will be conducting at a museum in the city.

I shall not bore members by re-stating my position. I have already done so at considerable length. I apologise if I misinterpreted what was written by relm1 and by Amphissa.

With regard to the music of Derek Bourgeois, I have in previous posts acknowledged both the neglect suffered by Bourgeois and the need to record at least some of his music. As far as I am aware-and I may of course be wrong- Bourgeois did not actually write a Piano Concerto. As far as his symphonies are concerned any list of neglected or unrecorded music which included Bourgeois's compositions would, perforce, spread over several separate posts. Such a list would be "unmanageably" long. That is the only reason why I omitted him-with sincere regret-from any lists I have posted.

Amphissa makes some valid points regarding both personal taste and subjective judgment. I would point out however that the composers on my Piano Concerto list are all, to varying extents, already represented on disc. Indeed, of the fifteen composers listed eight have already had one or more of their piano concertos recorded.
No one would argue-and I certainly would not-that these concertos are all "undiscovered masterpieces". But the fact that record labels have actually already invested in putting some of these composers' music on disc does suggest that there is a market (albeit a small market) for that music.

However it would probably be better if we left it at that and agreed to disagree (if or where we do :)).


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Vandermolen on June 15, 2019, 02:23:13 pm
I was not intending to criticize or even question Dundonnell's original post, and I was satisfied with his reply to my question. He clearly expressed his opinion and offered up his personally chosen list. It's his list. If someone else wants to make a different list, well, do it.

As to whether or not the concertos listed deserve to be commercially recorded, that's a matter of personal opinion. Obviously, Dundonnell believes they do. As to whether labels would consider the investment commercially sound, that's another issue entirely.

I'm not as expert as Dundonnell, of course, but I've heard some of the concertos listed, and I've heard other works by most of the composers. I liked a few of the concertos well enough to listen more than once. Others I disliked intensely and am not happy that Dundonnell reminded me that I wasted hours of my life listening to them.  :-\

Would I actually buy CDs of any of these concertos? Would anyone other than a completist buy CDs of any of these concertos? Of course, those questions have ZERO relevance to Dundonnell's original post. He would. What is there to argue about?







Oh, I'd buy any concerto by Bate, Josephs, Jacob or Leighton. Also why is Jacob's very engaging Concerto for Two Pianos not on CD? It was on LP however. One of the great 'missing' CDs along with Gruner Hegge's recording of Klaus Egge's terrific First Symphony, Sir Edward Downes's recording of Bax's Third Symphony, Janis Ivanovs's 11th Symphony (possibly his finest one) and Richard Rodney Bennett's wonderfully atmospheric score for 'Nicholas and Alexandra'.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on June 15, 2019, 09:38:14 pm
A recording of Reizenstein piano concerto nr.2 is underway on cpo records. Due out in Germany end of june 2019


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Grandenorm on June 15, 2019, 11:32:15 pm
There already is an excellent recording of the Reizenstein PC 2 available on Dutton Epoch, released in 2011, with Victor Sangiorgio (piano) and Martin Yates conducting the RSNO. It is coupled with the PC 2 of Stanley Bates.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Holger on June 16, 2019, 06:58:14 am
There already is an excellent recording of the Reizenstein PC 2 available on Dutton Epoch, released in 2011, with Victor Sangiorgio (piano) and Martin Yates conducting the RSNO. It is coupled with the PC 2 of Stanley Bates.

On the other hand, this recording is already out of print (though only released in 2011!), which is a problem with many Dutton releases these discs are no longer available far too early. Of course, there is the possibility of getting the CD as a download via Amazon, qobuz or so, but I actually want the original CD, and at present it seems it is almost impossible to get hold of a copy (at least for a reasonable price). In this sense, the new CPO disc will be welcome.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on June 16, 2019, 11:24:32 am
Here's one for a resonable price https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STANLEY-BATE-FRANK-REIZENSTEIN-PIANO-CONCERTOS-NO-2-DUTTON-CDLX-7282-/123745590614


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Holger on June 16, 2019, 05:51:02 pm
Thanks for the hint! Unfortunately, it seems the seller only ships to GB (actually, when I search for the CD via Ebay Germany this offer is not even displayed).


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Grandenorm on June 16, 2019, 08:30:58 pm
How very tiresome of him! Would you like me to buy it on your behalf and post it on to you in Germany, if you give me your address? You can pay me later by bank transfer if you wish.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Holger on June 16, 2019, 09:05:28 pm
Many thanks for your offer much appreciated! However, Colin / Dundonnell has meanwhile offered his help in buying the CD, so all is fine. Anyway, great to have fellow collectors around who are willing to help! :)


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Grandenorm on June 16, 2019, 09:15:29 pm
You are very welcome. Glad Colin can assist.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: relm1 on June 17, 2019, 01:12:12 am
As far as I am aware-and I may of course be wrong- Bourgeois did not actually write a Piano Concerto.

This is Derek's 32 minute piano concerto in three movements. 

Movement 1: https://www.scoreexchange.com/scores/108900.html
Movement 2: https://www.scoreexchange.com/scores/109004.html
Movement 3: https://www.scoreexchange.com/scores/109350.html

Score, parts, and audio mock up at the link.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Dundonnell on June 17, 2019, 02:10:32 pm
Thank you for this.

As I understand it the Piano Concerto is part of the Symphony No.65 which is intended to play as a concert-with an Overture, Concerto and Symphony. Did Bourgeois want all three components to be played in sequence or sanction the individual elements to be performed quite independently? I suspect we do not know.

But whatever is the case I am happy to acknowledge that there is a Piano Concerto (albeit within a symphonic context).


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Dundonnell on June 17, 2019, 02:12:57 pm
It is interesting to note from recent posts that despite Amphissa's reservations there are a number of concertos by composers I orginally named which do seem to interest at least some members on here........although not perhaps enough to initiate a commercial bandwagon ;D


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Dundonnell on June 17, 2019, 02:21:49 pm
Many thanks for your offer much appreciated! However, Colin / Dundonnell has meanwhile offered his help in buying the CD, so all is fine. Anyway, great to have fellow collectors around who are willing to help! :)

I have ordered the cd from the ebay seller. Always happy to reciprocate :)


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: relm1 on June 17, 2019, 03:37:43 pm
Thank you for this.

As I understand it the Piano Concerto is part of the Symphony No.65 which is intended to play as a concert-with an Overture, Concerto and Symphony. Did Bourgeois want all three components to be played in sequence or sanction the individual elements to be performed quite independently? I suspect we do not know.

But whatever is the case I am happy to acknowledge that there is a Piano Concerto (albeit within a symphonic context).
The idea was an ill advised concert program where an opening overture, subsequent piano concerto, then symphony would be the entire symphony.  But the works can be performed separately.  Sort of like how Kalevi Aho in his Symphony No. 17 says these can be played as individual tone poems or as a collective symphony. 


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Dundonnell on June 17, 2019, 04:54:31 pm
The problem with the concept is that while Aho is probably Finland's most prominent living composer and certainly the most recorded Bourgeois had been virtually ignored since his first half dozen or so symphonies. The idea of a whole concert of hia music was perhaps a bit unrealistic.

......but clearly neglect did not deter Bourgeois- which was entirely admirable of course.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Dundonnell on June 17, 2019, 09:21:43 pm
.....and I am aware that Aulis Sallinen is still alive and might well have claims on the status of pre-eminence!


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: relm1 on June 18, 2019, 01:14:23 am
The problem with the concept is that while Aho is probably Finland's most prominent living composer and certainly the most recorded Bourgeois had been virtually ignored since his first half dozen or so symphonies. The idea of a whole concert of hia music was perhaps a bit unrealistic.

......but clearly neglect did not deter Bourgeois- which was entirely admirable of course.

I don't think Public Relations skills should be a requirement for a composer's music being worthy of being easily available (or it shouldn't be).  Bourgeois' day will come like Havergal Brian, Rued Langgaard, and others whose verbose talent patiently lied in wait.  I do wonder if Derek would be more popular had he died in 2003 when he had 15 epic symphonies?  Should Mahler be less regarded given his 10 symphonies if he lived another 10 years and wrote 5 more symphonies?  What if Shostakovich wrote 25 symphonies because he lived another decade? Would Wagner be more valid if he died after Das Rheingold?  Yes, yes, I know this is an exercise in futility but ultimately there is one conclusion.  We are left to judge them with what they have left behind.  The fact that Derek went on to write a million more symphonies should not be held against him.  He merely gave up on the system and wrote without regard to securing a performance.  I don't know if this is the case with composers in England, but in America, did you know that nearly all composers spend most of their time NOT composing but with various business activities?  I was surprised to learn that a successful composer I know spends maybe two to three hours a day on creative efforts.  The huge bulk of time is various promotion.  What output would a composer create if they no longer cared about that other 75% of their day?  Mahler basically composed in the summer.  What if he created all year long, what gems might we today enjoy?  An opera of his?  A Violin Concerto?  His completed Symphony No. 10, maybe 11?  Virtually no contemporary composer can afford this scenario but a few can.  Derek did and he shouldn't be dismissed because of that.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Dundonnell on June 18, 2019, 02:42:48 pm
I too hope that Bourgeois's day will come. You mention Havergal Brian and Rued Langgaard. As far as Brian is concerned the rediscovery of his music began towards the end of his very long life and was inspired by the promotion of the music by his passionate advocate the composer Robert Simpson. Simpson was, at that time, a BBC Music Producer and used that position to get Brian's symphonies performed and broadcast. Since then the dedicated support and financial power of the Havergal Brian Society has enormously facilitated the recording of the music.

What is required to revive a neglected composer's music is a combination of factors. It helps if the music is broacast. In the UK that means that the BBC has to demonstrate an interest. BBC music producers have to be aware of the composer's existence and willing to push for broadcast performances. There have to be conductors willing to learn the music. This is less likely nowadays when there are fewer British conductors regularly conducting regional orchestras.

Record companies are also crucial. The reality again nowadays is that companies like to record a series of a composer's music. This is where the sheer number of Bourgeois's symphonies works to his disadvantage. Had he composed a dozen or so then he would have more appeal to a label which might show some interest.

It is, sadly, not necessarily a reflection on the quality of the music but is more to do with the interest/support of those who have the required influence. This is the difficulty Bourgeois faces.

Harsh reality......but never give up!


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: relm1 on June 18, 2019, 03:24:34 pm
I too hope that Bourgeois's day will come. You mention Havergal Brian and Rued Langgaard. As far as Brian is concerned the rediscovery of his music began towards the end of his very long life and was inspired by the promotion of the music by his passionate advocate the composer Robert Simpson. Simpson was, at that time, a BBC Music Producer and used that position to get Brian's symphonies performed and broadcast. Since then the dedicated support and financial power of the Havergal Brian Society has enormously facilitated the recording of the music.

What is required to revive a neglected composer's music is a combination of factors. It helps if the music is broacast. In the UK that means that the BBC has to demonstrate an interest. BBC music producers have to be aware of the composer's existence and willing to push for broadcast performances. There have to be conductors willing to learn the music. This is less likely nowadays when there are fewer British conductors regularly conducting regional orchestras.

Record companies are also crucial. The reality again nowadays is that companies like to record a series of a composer's music. This is where the sheer number of Bourgeois's symphonies works to his disadvantage. Had he composed a dozen or so then he would have more appeal to a label which might show some interest.

It is, sadly, not necessarily a reflection on the quality of the music but is more to do with the interest/support of those who have the required influence. This is the difficulty Bourgeois faces.

Harsh reality......but never give up!

I agree with all you said.  He is actually quite popular and well performed in the concert wind world and especially Asia (which came as a surprise to him).  His first 7 symphonies were all broadcast by the BBC which was the point where he retired and moved to Mallorca and became explosively productive.  You don't think it will be more like Weinberg (I forget how many symphonies he composed) but there are so many that no single record company records would record it but a few symphonies show up here and there in a variety of labels and in time we get all of them?  Also working against him, some of these very prolific composers like Brian and Langgaard also wrote some quite short symphonies so it's not unusual to see four symphonies in a single release.  With Bourgeois, they are long symphonies with very few short ones.  Still, I hold out that a musicologist or someone will investigate the wealth of his oeuvre and put together a reasonable first orchestral project which could build up interest in conductors, broadcasters, public.   I get that this is a bit of a chicken and egg problem.  Till then, I will have hope.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Dundonnell on June 18, 2019, 04:47:49 pm
Weinberg completed twenty one numbered symphonies (No.22 was unfinished by the composer but has been completed and recorded) and four chamber symphonies.  Some of the symphonies were issued by Olympia from recordings made by the state-owned Melodiya company in the former USSR. Since then Chandos and Naxos have between them recorded most of the symphonies.

The general consensus however is that Weinberg was one of the most distinguished of the immediate post-Shostakovich generation of symphonists. There are many neglected composers who have been ignored by both Chandos and Naxos. "Selling" Bourgeois to either would be a difficult task, I am afraid.


Title: Re: SOME unrecorded British Piano Concertos, 1934-94
Post by: Vandermolen on September 01, 2019, 10:09:39 am
I was delighted to see that Gordon Jacob's very engaging 'Concerto for Three Hands' is now on You Tube. It was, sadly, never released on CD, unlike its LP companions by Bliss and Arnold. I hope that we get a new recording one day or at least a CD release of Sellick/Smith/Arnold version, which has given me much pleasure. It is my favourite work by Gordon Jacob along with the moving slow movement from his First Symphony.