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Title: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: savoir_faire on July 18, 2018, 09:14:43 am
A new recording forthcoming from Chandos in September:

https://www.mdt.co.uk/gipps-ruth-symphonies-rumon-gamba-chandos-records.html (https://www.mdt.co.uk/gipps-ruth-symphonies-rumon-gamba-chandos-records.html)

Not the first appearance of Symphony No 2 on disc, but one to be welcomed nevertheless. May we hope for more??


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: djarvie on July 18, 2018, 10:24:18 am
Thanks for spotting this.  It's great news, and unexpected.  I shall certainly buy it.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: jimfin on July 18, 2018, 10:37:14 am
Excellent! I have enjoyed what I have heard of Gipps, and it's nice to see Chandos releasing the sort of thing they used to be best known for.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Dundonnell on July 18, 2018, 05:29:17 pm
Wow! This is unexpected. As has been said, not what one would have expected given Chandos's track record over the last few years.

Hugely welcome, of course!! (I know one Dutchman who will be overjoyed ;D)

And yes......hope that Gamba will go on to record Symphonies Nos. 3 and 5.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Toby Esterhase on July 24, 2018, 12:40:48 am
Wonderful ! all music of Gipps should be more known
https://books.google.it/books?id=giwxDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT3&lpg=PT3&dq=gipps+nationalism&source=bl&ots=9JO3es0Yx_&sig=-nOGeuArgCK76BkQ_bhmrQMG6ZQ&hl=it&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj0iMzOsrbcAhWyx6YKHS9lC-sQ6AEwBHoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=gipps%20nationalism&f=false


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Balapoel on July 24, 2018, 03:31:22 am
I, for one, would like to hear her Symphony in f minor, Op. 22.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Dundonnell on July 24, 2018, 01:47:24 pm
I, for one, would like to hear her Symphony in f minor, Op. 22.

Of course, No.1 too (I just did not want to appear to be my usual overly greedy self ;D)


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Vandermolen on July 25, 2018, 11:23:02 am
For a long time I have hoped for a recording of Symphony 4 - so this is great news indeed.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Grandenorm on July 26, 2018, 08:10:09 am
I heartily concur. I think Ruth Gipps' 4th is possibly her finest symphony. It is certainly a very distinguished work and the orchestration is highly accomplished.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Expi on August 05, 2018, 10:14:54 am
just hearing the new chandos disk with the Gipps symphonies. as expected very disappointing. dull music which sounds like i heard a hundred times ago, simply redundant. sorry, but this isn't really relevant music.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Vandermolen on August 05, 2018, 01:14:01 pm
just hearing the new chandos disk with the Gipps symphonies. as expected very disappointing. dull music which sounds like i heard a hundred times ago, simply redundant. sorry, but this isn't really relevant music.

Relevant to what?


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: the Administration on August 05, 2018, 03:22:58 pm
just hearing the new chandos disk with the Gipps symphonies. as expected very disappointing. dull music which sounds like i heard a hundred times ago, simply redundant. sorry, but this isn't really relevant music.

Ok. This is a final warning! You post sporadically but almost always to decry the music of a particular composer. Repeatedly you use words like "redundant" or "relevant".
This has annoyed other members who have asked you to explain what you mean by "relevant". You have never done so. In fact the concept of relevance to music written in 1945 (the Ruth Gipps Symphony No.2) is meaningless. The suspicion must be that you continue to use this "means of attack" because you know how annoying it is to others.

You are fully entitled to expressing a musical opinion but when it is couched in the same terms over and over again that expression becomes both tedious to read and of zero value.

If you continue with your approach I shall simply delete the offending posts.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on August 05, 2018, 07:07:14 pm
Well said. Expi's comments are redundant persť and irrelevant as long as he/she doesn't explain.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Expi on August 07, 2018, 05:24:15 pm
Sorry but whats wrong with terms like not relevant or redundant? Aren't they self-explanatory? Not relevant means without any importance for musical history and redundant means superfluous (People had better spent time for something useful than recording boring music). What about the freedom of speech in this Forum?


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Dundonnell on August 08, 2018, 12:02:31 am
Sorry but whats wrong with terms like not relevant or redundant? Aren't they self-explanatory? Not relevant means without any importance for musical history and redundant means superfluous (People had better spent time for something useful than recording boring music). What about the freedom of speech in this Forum?

No, they are not self-explanatory. However, you have offered definitions....finally.

You suggest that to be "relevant" music has to have "importance for musical history". That would suggest that the only composers whose music is "relevant" are those who are generally recognised as among the "great composers" or those who have in some way shaped the course of musical development through their influence on others.

If we accept this then literally hundreds of composers who wrote music within an idiom conventional to their particular time would be "condemned" as "irrelevant". Yet many of these composers wrote music which is admired by many of the members of this forum. It is certainly acceptable to find nothing individual or innovative in their music. It is equally acceptable to say so.

But you also use the word "redundant", meaning "superfluous" and "boring". Superfluous suggests that the music should not have been written or listened to. That is a frankly astonishing assertion! You sweep aside the musical tastes and judgment of many of our members. That is unacceptable.

You refer to "freedom of speech" on thiis forum. There is no unfettered freedom of speech. There never has been. We expect members to respect the views, opinions and tastes of others and to conduct discussion in a decorous, ie polite and courteous fashion.

Like every other music lover I have musical "preferences". I find it difficult to listen attentively to a Mozart piano concerto. That however does not render Mozart's music "irrelevant" or "redundant". Mozart was, unquestionably, "a great composer". I would expect (and have plenty of experience of) the baffled incomprehension of others when I express my aversion to a Mozart piano concerto. There are a handful of other, very well-known and well-loved composers whose music holds no great appeal to me but I would certainly not dismiss their music for that reason.

This forum is populated by people who prefer to discuss the music they like and to attempt to share their musical enthusiasms rather than to persistently and continuously rubbish the music of composers under discussion.

The use of the words "relevant" (as usually in "not relevant") or "redundant" has become tedious in the extreme. In my capacity as an administrator I have already said this explicitly. If you do not "like" my attitude then you can reach your own inevitable conclusions.



Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Grandenorm on August 08, 2018, 07:09:07 pm
I would just add that "boring" is an entirely subjective adjective. What YOU find boring, others may find absorbing. Don't complain and criticise because YOU don't like some of the music discussed on this forum - if you don't like it, don't join on the discussion. Nor are you the only judge of what is good or bad in music.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Christo on August 09, 2018, 10:13:14 am
What about the freedom of speech in this Forum?
Freedom of speech has a well defined function: make meaningful contributions to the public debate. Random prejudices and bad taste do not. Ruth Gipps is a very fine composer and her Fourth Symphony nothing less than a masterpiece. You better first form an opinion before you post one.  :D


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Grandenorm on August 09, 2018, 12:37:19 pm
I totally agree, Christo. Well said.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Dundonnell on August 09, 2018, 02:18:51 pm
I am grateful to other members for their contributions.

I am well aware that I have not yet worked out in my own mind when I should be posting as an Administrator and when under my usual member name and that I have not got this distinction correct yet.

I am also conscious that in taking a particular "hard line" here as an administrator I may well not please everyone and am-quite properly-open to challenge and dissent. That is inevitable and comes with the role. But someone has to do it........ :)


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Dashiell2007 on August 12, 2018, 01:13:15 pm
Going back to the music. I think it's the most excited a Chandos disc has made me in years. I have loved Gipps 2nd Symphony since it appeared on CD. As a deep lover of RVW I will be happer to hear a composer who is clearly working within the English Pastoral vein. The extracts sound excellent.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Vandermolen on August 13, 2018, 01:04:40 pm
I consider music to be of personal 'relevance' if it moves me emotionally or if can relate to it is some way - although I wouldn't expect others to share my views. For example I consider the music of Braga-Santos (well, at least the early symphonies), Stanley Bate, Ruth Gipps, Ricard Arnell, Eduard Tubin,  Camargo Guanieri, John Kinsella, Harold Truscott, Godfried Devreese, Klaus Egge etcetc to be relevant to me in a way that the piano concertos of Mozart or most operas are not - whilst recognising the greatness of major composers whose music means little to me.

I'm greatly looking forward to receiving the Gipps CD - one of the most exciting releases on Chandos in recent times.



Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Dundonnell on August 13, 2018, 04:27:22 pm
I consider music to be of personal 'relevance' if it moves me emotionally or if can relate to it is some way - although I wouldn't expect others to share my views. For example I consider the music of Braga-Santos (well, at least the early symphonies), Stanley Bate, Ruth Gipps, Ricard Arnell, Eduard Tubin,  Camargo Guanieri, John Kinsella, Harold Truscott, Godfried Devreese, Klaus Egge etcetc to be relevant to me in a way that the piano concertos of Mozart or most operas are not - whilst recognising the greatness of major composers whose music means little to me.

I'm greatly looking forward to receiving the Gipps CD - one of the most exciting releases on Chandos in recent times.



Well said, Jeffrey!

We all have our personal favourites-composers who "speak to us". These are not necessarily to be counted among the most famous or "the greatest" of composers (define that how you will). One of the joys about belonging to a music forum-such as this-is to learn about the composers who mean a lot to others and, if one has the inclination, to sample their music for oneself.

I cannot recall now when I first read about the music of Braga Santos but when I first heard the music for myself it was a revelation. Is it orginal? No, I don't suppose it is. Is it derivative? Yes, I suppose so (although it remains a mystery to me how Braga Santos had acquainted himself with the music of other, similar composers in wartime Portugal).
Has it had an influence on other composers? Extremely doubtful (certainly outside Portugal).

In that sense is his music "relevant" to the future course of musical development? No, it is almost certainly not. Is it therefore, by extrapolation, "redundant", superfluous etc. Of course not. Listening to it enhances my life.....as it does that of others who love the music.

If it means nothing to others then that is the nature of musical experience. I don't "get" the music of Harrison Birtwistle. Doesn't mean he isn't a composer of genuine importance and that I cannot respect those who consider him a musical genius.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Latvian on August 13, 2018, 07:02:34 pm
Well put, Jeffrey and Colin. I completely agree.

Personally, I'm sick to death of "the best" categorizations. Whenever someone starts a discussion with "Who do you think is the best composer/pianist/etc." or "What do you think is the best symphony/concerto/etc." I cringe inwardly. As if there's a universal set of objective criteria by which all can be judged. We all have our biases, preferences, range of experience, etc., that influence our conclusions. Also, our tastes change over time, based on experience, exposure, point in life, etc. For instance, when I was younger I had little use for Robert Schumann apart from a very few of his works. Now, I've come to adore his music. I've always felt his stature as a "great" composer was deserved, but his music just didn't speak to me. Likewise, Franz Liszt.

However, I'm happy to enter into a discussion that begins "Who are your favorite composers/pianists/etc." or "what are your favorite symphonies/concerti/etc." when that discussion is civil and respectful of the participants' tastes.

Vague, undefined generalities such as "relevant" or "best" are annoying at best, infuriating when used repeatedly without explanation. One of the great features of this forum has been the respect we accord one another's opinions. I left another forum a number of years ago when I had the audacity to express my deep respect for a certain composer's music and another member publicly took me to task for my obvious lack of taste and erudition in taking such a "stupid" position, since in their mind this composer's music was utterly useless, worthless, derivative, and poorly written. The administrator saw nothing wrong with this (no, it wasn't UC). So, I hope we are able to maintain this prized civility here. We don't need anyone here who can only bolster their own fragile self-esteem by denigrating and demeaning others and their opinions.

And, for the record, I very much like Ruth Gipps' music.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Vandermolen on August 13, 2018, 10:25:12 pm
I consider music to be of personal 'relevance' if it moves me emotionally or if can relate to it is some way - although I wouldn't expect others to share my views. For example I consider the music of Braga-Santos (well, at least the early symphonies), Stanley Bate, Ruth Gipps, Ricard Arnell, Eduard Tubin,  Camargo Guanieri, John Kinsella, Harold Truscott, Godfried Devreese, Klaus Egge etcetc to be relevant to me in a way that the piano concertos of Mozart or most operas are not - whilst recognising the greatness of major composers whose music means little to me.

I'm greatly looking forward to receiving the Gipps CD - one of the most exciting releases on Chandos in recent times.



Well said, Jeffrey!

We all have our personal favourites-composers who "speak to us". These are not necessarily to be counted among the most famous or "the greatest" of composers (define that how you will). One of the joys about belonging to a music forum-such as this-is to learn about the composers who mean a lot to others and, if one has the inclination, to sample their music for oneself.

I cannot recall now when I first read about the music of Braga Santos but when I first heard the music for myself it was a revelation. Is it orginal? No, I don't suppose it is. Is it derivative? Yes, I suppose so (although it remains a mystery to me how Braga Santos had acquainted himself with the music of other, similar composers in wartime Portugal).
Has it had an influence on other composers? Extremely doubtful (certainly outside Portugal).

In that sense is his music "relevant" to the future course of musical development? No, it is almost certainly not. Is it therefore, by extrapolation, "redundant", superfluous etc. Of course not. Listening to it enhances my life.....as it does that of others who love the music.

If it means nothing to others then that is the nature of musical experience. I don't "get" the music of Harrison Birtwistle. Doesn't mean he isn't a composer of genuine importance and that I cannot respect those who consider him a musical genius.

I wonder, Colin, if Vaughan Williams was an influence on Braga Santos. I suspect that BS would have come across the music of VW either on the Portuguese radio or in concert. After all, isn't Portugal the oldest ally of Britain's? Only semi-serious about this but who knows? Sibelius also I think who would have been at the height of his reputation in Braga Santos's formative years I think.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Vandermolen on August 13, 2018, 10:36:18 pm
Well put, Jeffrey and Colin. I completely agree.

Personally, I'm sick to death of "the best" categorizations. Whenever someone starts a discussion with "Who do you think is the best composer/pianist/etc." or "What do you think is the best symphony/concerto/etc." I cringe inwardly. As if there's a universal set of objective criteria by which all can be judged. We all have our biases, preferences, range of experience, etc., that influence our conclusions. Also, our tastes change over time, based on experience, exposure, point in life, etc. For instance, when I was younger I had little use for Robert Schumann apart from a very few of his works. Now, I've come to adore his music. I've always felt his stature as a "great" composer was deserved, but his music just didn't speak to me. Likewise, Franz Liszt.

However, I'm happy to enter into a discussion that begins "Who are your favorite composers/pianists/etc." or "what are your favorite symphonies/concerti/etc." when that discussion is civil and respectful of the participants' tastes.

Vague, undefined generalities such as "relevant" or "best" are annoying at best, infuriating when used repeatedly without explanation. One of the great features of this forum has been the respect we accord one another's opinions. I left another forum a number of years ago when I had the audacity to express my deep respect for a certain composer's music and another member publicly took me to task for my obvious lack of taste and erudition in taking such a "stupid" position, since in their mind this composer's music was utterly useless, worthless, derivative, and poorly written. The administrator saw nothing wrong with this (no, it wasn't UC). So, I hope we are able to maintain this prized civility here. We don't need anyone here who can only bolster their own fragile self-esteem by denigrating and demeaning others and their opinions.

And, for the record, I very much like Ruth Gipps' music.

Well, I agree with you as well Latvian (sorry, I don't know your name). I've never really understood the intolerance which too often exists on online sites. I also think that written messages (as in texts and emails as well) can often seem opinionated without the more subtle nuances of actual face to face conversation. These music websites have cost me a small fortune but, through them, I have discovered so many wonderful composers whose existence I would otherwise be unaware of and made some genuine friendships as well.

As you expressed your admiration for the music of Ruth Gipps let me also do so for your (I assume) compatriot Janis Ivanovs whose terrific 11th Symphony is one of the major gaps (in my opinion) in the CD catalogue, along with Tjeknavorian's LSO recording of Khachaturian's 1st Symphony (RCA, not the far inferior ASV recording), the Gruner-Hegge recording of Klaus Egge's magnificent 1st Symphony (Norwegian HMV LP), Gordon Jabob's Concerto for Two Pianos (EMI LP) and Bax's 3rd Symphony (LSO, Downes RCA LP).


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Dundonnell on August 13, 2018, 11:05:50 pm
I understand the point about the influences on Braga Santos of RVW and Sibelius, Jeffrey. But the music is not simply reheated VW or Sibelius. There is clearly the influence of Portugese folk music as well but in addition there is an almost American romantic swaggering self-confidence about BS's music. Yet he surely could not have been familiar with Roy Harris or Aaron Copland?

Indeed, who was he familiar with?? After all the Symphony No.1 was written in 1946. Braga Santos was 22 years old in 1946. When World War Two broke out in 1939 the composer was 15. What was the situation in Portugal during the war? The country was officially neutral but retained its long-standing friendship with Great Britain. What music was broadcast on Portugese radio during the war? The young composer clearly did not travel outside his country during the war. Did he study scores? If so, by which composers? These questions have intrigued me ever since I first heard the music. (No doubt Alvaro Cassuto could provide answers and I am tempted to try to contact him!)

It is almost as though somehow the young Portugese composer had absorbed every sort of romantic influence from around the world-from the USA, from Respighi, Bloch, Sibelius, RVW etc etc mixed those with Portugese folk influences and came up with an amalgam free from any inhibitions, free from any preconceived ideas of where contemporary music should be going and simply threw himself into symphonic music with youthful abandon. Because ultimately what shines through is his sheer unbridled self-confident enthusiasm.
If it is inspired-and I think that the early music IS inspired-then is that "inspiration" wholly derivative? I wonder!

(and btw I know that this thread is supposed to be about the symphonies of Ruth Gipps but she too-at the time of the Symphony No.2-was a young, romantic composer.....so the connection is not entirely off piste ;D)


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Latvian on August 13, 2018, 11:34:47 pm
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As you expressed your admiration for the music of Ruth Gipps let me also do so for your (I assume) compatriot Janis Ivanovs whose terrific 11th Symphony is one of the major gaps (in my opinion) in the CD catalogue, along with Tjeknavorian's LSO recording of Khachaturian's 1st Symphony (RCA, not the far inferior ASV recording), the Gruner-Hegge recording of Klaus Egge's magnificent 1st Symphony (Norwegian HMV LP), Gordon Jabob's Concerto for Two Pianos (EMI LP) and Bax's 3rd Symphony (LSO, Downes RCA LP).

Yes, Ivanovs' 11th Symphony is indeed a fine work. It's a shame that neither Cameo Classics nor Marco Polo / Naxos ever completed their Ivanovs cycles. Personally, my favorite Ivanovs symphonies are #s 4, 6, 10 and 17, but I love many of the others as well.

I don't think I've ever heard either of the Tjeknavorian recordings of Khachaturian's 1st. I have Gauk's and the composer's versions. A fine work, in any event.

Yes, I love Bax 3 with Downes (and the LP filler, The Happy Forest).

My real name is Maris and I am indeed Latvian.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Vandermolen on August 14, 2018, 12:16:39 pm
I understand the point about the influences on Braga Santos of RVW and Sibelius, Jeffrey. But the music is not simply reheated VW or Sibelius. There is clearly the influence of Portugese folk music as well but in addition there is an almost American romantic swaggering self-confidence about BS's music. Yet he surely could not have been familiar with Roy Harris or Aaron Copland?

Indeed, who was he familiar with?? After all the Symphony No.1 was written in 1946. Braga Santos was 22 years old in 1946. When World War Two broke out in 1939 the composer was 15. What was the situation in Portugal during the war? The country was officially neutral but retained its long-standing friendship with Great Britain. What music was broadcast on Portugese radio during the war? The young composer clearly did not travel outside his country during the war. Did he study scores? If so, by which composers? These questions have intrigued me ever since I first heard the music. (No doubt Alvaro Cassuto could provide answers and I am tempted to try to contact him!)

It is almost as though somehow the young Portugese composer had absorbed every sort of romantic influence from around the world-from the USA, from Respighi, Bloch, Sibelius, RVW etc etc mixed those with Portugese folk influences and come up with an amalgam free from any inhibitions, free from any preconceived ideas of where contemporary music should be going and simply threw himself into symphonic music with youthful abandon. Because ultimately what shines through is his sheer unbridled self-confident enthusiasm.
If it is inspired-and I think that the early music IS inspired-then is that "inspiration" wholly derivative? I wonder!

(and btw I know that this thread is supposed to be about the symphonies of Ruth Gipps but she too-at the time of the Symphony No.2-was a young, romantic composer.....so the connection is not entirely off piste ;D)
OT
A very thoughtful consideration Colin which I read with much interest. I may have told you that I taught a Portuguese girl whose family knew Braga Santos. Apparently her grandmother threw Braga-Santos and his friends out of the house for 'making too much noise'. Isn't there a quote about prophets being unappreciated in their home country? The girl kindly presented me with a boxed set of Braga Santos orchestral music. I think that her family were amazed that her teacher had heard of him and appreciated his music. Yes, I'm sure that Portuguese folk music was a huge influence.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Vandermolen on August 14, 2018, 12:24:41 pm
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As you expressed your admiration for the music of Ruth Gipps let me also do so for your (I assume) compatriot Janis Ivanovs whose terrific 11th Symphony is one of the major gaps (in my opinion) in the CD catalogue, along with Tjeknavorian's LSO recording of Khachaturian's 1st Symphony (RCA, not the far inferior ASV recording), the Gruner-Hegge recording of Klaus Egge's magnificent 1st Symphony (Norwegian HMV LP), Gordon Jabob's Concerto for Two Pianos (EMI LP) and Bax's 3rd Symphony (LSO, Downes RCA LP).

Yes, Ivanovs' 11th Symphony is indeed a fine work. It's a shame that neither Cameo Classics nor Marco Polo / Naxos ever completed their Ivanovs cycles. Personally, my favorite Ivanovs symphonies are #s 4, 6, 10 and 17, but I love many of the others as well.

I don't think I've ever heard either of the Tjeknavorian recordings of Khachaturian's 1st. I have Gauk's and the composer's versions. A fine work, in any event.

Yes, I love Bax 3 with Downes (and the LP filler, The Happy Forest).

My real name is Maris and I am indeed Latvian.
OT
Just to say Maris that, of the ones I know, my favourite Ivanovs's scores are symphonies 2,3,4,5,8,11 and especially the movingly valedictory (in my opinion) Symphony 20 which exists not only on Naxos but in an impressively packaged release from the Latvian Musical Information Centre. I also like the film score for 'Late Frost in Spring'. As soon as the Gipps release shows up I will be back 'on piste'.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: relm1 on August 26, 2018, 12:55:08 am
I got this CD and listening now.  I think it's lovely.  It reminds me of Meoran's very fine symphony.  It's really a very fine disc.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: cilgwyn on September 07, 2018, 11:38:37 am
On now. The Ruth Gipps Chandos cd,,which was on pre-order,arrived this morning. First listen! So far I am very impressed by her Fourth Symphony. I was half expecting some watered down VW,pastoral ruminations,but this strikes me as a truly individual voice. I love the clarity of the orchestration. I love her use of horns;and there is an urgency to the narrative that draws me along. Some exciting orchestration,too. The opening immediately caught my attention. I really didn't expect anything as good as this! ??? :) I'm now listening to the much earlier tone poem,Knight in Armour. Again,lovely orchestration. Quite bracing. So far,none of that finger twiddling and looking at the mini hi-fi track timings (How long is this going on?!!). Again,I really didn't expect anything this good!! So far,I'm very impressed!! I love that cover photo,by the way!


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Dundonnell on September 07, 2018, 03:34:29 pm
Delighted to hear that you are enjoying the disc! My copy has not yet arrived (but then I did order another five cds at the same time!).

"watered down, VW, pastoral ruminations" indeed ::) Who ever thought of such a thing ;D


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Elroel on September 07, 2018, 05:19:17 pm
Well, my copy was in the mailbox yesterday.

Her other symphonies did make me order this cd. The symphony is a very fine one, so no regret I bought it.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Grandenorm on September 07, 2018, 05:28:00 pm
The 4th symphony is a masterpiece. I have David Wright to thank for arranging for me to have a photocopy of the full score, which is how I came to know it. Wonderful orchestration and a truly individual voice.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: cilgwyn on September 07, 2018, 05:42:06 pm
Delighted to hear that you are enjoying the disc! My copy has not yet arrived (but then I did order another five cds at the same time!).

"watered down, VW, pastoral ruminations" indeed ::) Who ever thought of such a thing ;D
::) And how wrong I was!! :-[ ;D Indeed,I just posted this on the "What are you listening to now?" thread,at the GMG (minus the cd cover photo)!

"Still listening to this. Yes,the Fourth Symphony is more tightly structured and easily the finest of the two symphonies. That said,the Second Symphony is,imho,a fine work,and after several listens now,I really do like it. Gipps really had a flair for orchestration,and there is always something to capture my attention. Even if I hadn't heard the Fourth Symphony,I would have enjoyed this work. In fact,not being familiar with Gipps before,I really have enjoyed and been impressed by everything I've heard on this cd. Even the smaller works. Also,she has her own voice. She doesn't sound like any of the usual suspects,VW,Moeran or Bax; ie I don't keep thinking,"this sounds like such and such";although there are obviously some influences detectable. In fact,on this basis alone,I 'd go so far as to say that Chandos would be daft not to give us some more Gipps! I know it sounds a little patronising;but I really didn't expect the contents of this cd to be this good. If I was a music critic (Yeah,me a critic?!! ::) ;D) I might just nominate this as my cd find of the year! In fact,I can't wait to hear more Gipps (hint! hint! Chandos!! ;D And again,what a great cover photo! :)"



Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Vandermolen on September 08, 2018, 08:11:42 pm
Yes, a marvellous disc and fine performances from Rumon Gamba. The shorter works are fine new discoveries for me.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: dhibbard on September 10, 2018, 04:01:16 am
Looking forward to getting this CD.   


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Grandenorm on September 10, 2018, 09:22:43 am
One fervently hopes Chandos will record the other symphonies with Gamba's fine advocacy, perhaps adding some more of the shorter orchestral works or concertos (of which there are not a few) as fillers.


Title: Re: Ruth Gipps symphonies
Post by: Vandermolen on September 12, 2018, 11:55:12 am
They played the Scherzo of Symphony 4 on the radio a couple of days ago (listener's request BBC Radio 3).