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Title: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on September 03, 2017, 03:03:28 am
Now there is a valuable amount please suggest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWhchX43NzY

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Title: Re: Lord of the Rings in music
Post by: Gauk on September 09, 2017, 10:26:33 am
This is the best Tolkien music I know:

https://www.discogs.com/David-Munrow-And-The-Early-Music-Consort-Of-London-David-Cain-Play-Music-By-David-Cain-From-Four-Rad/release/3617411 (https://www.discogs.com/David-Munrow-And-The-Early-Music-Consort-Of-London-David-Cain-Play-Music-By-David-Cain-From-Four-Rad/release/3617411)


Title: Re: Lord of the Rings in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on September 09, 2017, 05:27:24 pm
Thanks!


Title: Re: Lord of the Rings in music
Post by: BrianA on September 12, 2017, 02:29:28 am
Canadian composer Glenn Buhr (who I generally hold in high regard) composed a tone poem kind of piece called Beren and Luthien which was formerly commercially available on CBC records.  Not The Lord of the Rings exactly, but as one of our AMF fellow members is fond of saying, "relevant".   ;D

Brian


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on October 18, 2017, 10:17:58 pm
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Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Vandermolen on May 11, 2018, 12:07:44 pm
I like the Johan De Meij work as well.


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on May 13, 2018, 11:48:42 pm
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Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: rbert12 on May 24, 2018, 08:38:50 pm
Aulis Sallinen Symphony n.7 'The Dream of Gandalf', available at YT


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Vandermolen on July 01, 2018, 12:47:20 pm
Bax's 'Nympholept' (Bryden Thompson) was once used, very effectively I thought, as music accompanying a TV documentary about Tolkein years ago. Since then I've rather associated it with Lord of the Rings although of course it has no actual connection to the book. Sibelius's Four Legends for Orchestra also has something of the ambience of Lord of the Rings.


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on July 04, 2018, 12:42:56 am
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Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on November 04, 2018, 01:18:10 am
John Alan Rose Piano Concerto "Tolkien's tale"
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Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on November 11, 2021, 02:12:43 am
http://www.tolkien-ensemble.net/index_en.html


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: paul corfield godfrey on November 11, 2021, 12:24:45 pm
Might I perhaps point out that a complete recording of the opening segment of my Tolkien cycle 'epic scenes from The Silmarillion' is scheduled for release early next year. The 2-CD release of Fëanor will join earlier releases over the past three years of Beren and Lúthien, The Children of Húrin and The Fall of Gondolin to complete the cycle as originally written in the period 1981-96 - which is certainly the largest-scale work of classical music written in Wales in the twentieth century (some nine hours). I have recently completed composition of a final segment, The War of Wrath, which brings Tolkien's legends of the First Age to a conclusion and is to be recorded next year.

This cycle is one of the very few works for which permission has been given by the estate for the actual use of Tolkien's own words in the context of a musical setting. The existing releases have been favourably reviewed on Music Web International and in the Tolkien Music List (https://www.tolkien-music.com).

The Prima Facie recordings were made with singers from Welsh National Opera and a sampled (not synthesised) orchestra and are available from all retailers. Signed copies and scores are also available from Volante Opera (https://www.volanteopera.wales/shop) where much further information is given.



Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Albion on November 12, 2021, 09:39:15 am
Might I perhaps point out that a complete recording of the opening segment of my Tolkien cycle 'epic scenes from The Silmarillion' is scheduled for release early next year.

You certainly might, it is great to have active composers on the forum. Wow - quite some undertaking! Thanks for the this info and the links to the reviews - may your endeavours prosper...

 :)


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on November 26, 2021, 03:02:31 am
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Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on November 27, 2021, 03:45:21 am
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Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on December 11, 2021, 04:35:51 am
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Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on January 22, 2022, 11:40:01 am
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Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Gauk on March 02, 2022, 12:50:47 pm
Well, I listened to the Johan De Meij 1st Symphony in the original version. How is this meant to be redolent of Middle Earth? Or any other fantasy realm? Frankly, World of Warcraft does it better. If he had called it "Wagon Train" it would be none the worse. I was frequently reminded of Ferde Grofé, to be honest.


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: paul corfield godfrey on March 02, 2022, 04:21:47 pm
THE SILMARILLION CYCLE COMPLETED

With the release of Fëanor on a new double CD, Prima Facie Records and Volante Opera complete their recording of Paul Corfield Godfrey’s cycle of “epic scenes from The Silmarillion” after the mythology of J R R Tolkien. The nine hours which constitute the complete cycle form the largest work of classical music written in Wales in the twentieth century, and are performed by singers from Welsh National Opera together with a sampled (not synthesised) orchestra. The booklets which come with each of the four double albums contain detailed explanations of the manner in which the recording have been made, as well as track listings, synopses, and an essay on each of the relevant parts by the composer.

Quite apart from the sheer scale of the work, the “epic scenes from The Silmarillion” are also unique in that (unlike nearly all of the Tolkien-influenced music available) the texts are drawn entirely from the words of Tolkien himself, with the agreement and permission of the Tolkien Estate. This certainly makes the score the most substantial vocal setting of any Tolkien material available.

The completion of the recording of this massive cycle is of course a major event, and we would very much hope that it will receive widespread attention. Full and vocal scores are also available for purchase, and the complete texts (including where relevant translations from Elvish) and musical analysis are all available from www.paulcorfieldgodfrey.co.uk

Earlier releases in the cycle:
Beren and Lúthien   PFCD 110/111
“Godfrey’s libretto freely alternates among the different extant versions of the story. The result, textually speaking, is a patchwork; from an operatic standpoint, however, it’s a tour de force of words delivered with passion and epic grandeur. This is hands-down the most potent actualization of Tolkien’s writing I have heard to date.”   Tolkien Music [Chris Seeman]

The Children of Húrin   PFCD 126/127
“CD2 opens with [a] Prelude worthy of mention in the same sentence as that of Sibelius, and closes with music of loss shot through with hope and tenderness. The detailed notes aptly refer to gentle benediction and an unravelling of the web of myth through which the tragic history has been viewed. Húrin’s final words are significant: ‘She was not conquered’. It’s a very different ending from that of Götterdämmerung, but it’s worthy of mention in the same sentence – and there’s not much that is, in my book.”   MusicWeb International [Brian Wilson]

The Fall of Gondolin  PFCD 092/093
“A thing that stands out from the moment you put the CD onto your audio system is the sheer professionalism with which the singers do their respective parts; all are singers with Welsh National Opera, and at times they allow themselves to show the fun they had creating this marvel.”   Unquendor [Jeroen Bakker]


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on March 26, 2022, 05:04:07 am
THE SILMARILLION CYCLE COMPLETED

With the release of Fëanor on a new double CD, Prima Facie Records and Volante Opera complete their recording of Paul Corfield Godfrey’s cycle of “epic scenes from The Silmarillion” after the mythology of J R R Tolkien. The nine hours which constitute the complete cycle form the largest work of classical music written in Wales in the twentieth century, and are performed by singers from Welsh National Opera together with a sampled (not synthesised) orchestra. The booklets which come with each of the four double albums contain detailed explanations of the manner in which the recording have been made, as well as track listings, synopses, and an essay on each of the relevant parts by the composer.

Quite apart from the sheer scale of the work, the “epic scenes from The Silmarillion” are also unique in that (unlike nearly all of the Tolkien-influenced music available) the texts are drawn entirely from the words of Tolkien himself, with the agreement and permission of the Tolkien Estate. This certainly makes the score the most substantial vocal setting of any Tolkien material available.

The completion of the recording of this massive cycle is of course a major event, and we would very much hope that it will receive widespread attention. Full and vocal scores are also available for purchase, and the complete texts (including where relevant translations from Elvish) and musical analysis are all available from www.paulcorfieldgodfrey.co.uk

Earlier releases in the cycle:
Beren and Lúthien   PFCD 110/111
“Godfrey’s libretto freely alternates among the different extant versions of the story. The result, textually speaking, is a patchwork; from an operatic standpoint, however, it’s a tour de force of words delivered with passion and epic grandeur. This is hands-down the most potent actualization of Tolkien’s writing I have heard to date.”   Tolkien Music [Chris Seeman]

The Children of Húrin   PFCD 126/127
“CD2 opens with [a] Prelude worthy of mention in the same sentence as that of Sibelius, and closes with music of loss shot through with hope and tenderness. The detailed notes aptly refer to gentle benediction and an unravelling of the web of myth through which the tragic history has been viewed. Húrin’s final words are significant: ‘She was not conquered’. It’s a very different ending from that of Götterdämmerung, but it’s worthy of mention in the same sentence – and there’s not much that is, in my book.”   MusicWeb International [Brian Wilson]

The Fall of Gondolin  PFCD 092/093
“A thing that stands out from the moment you put the CD onto your audio system is the sheer professionalism with which the singers do their respective parts; all are singers with Welsh National Opera, and at times they allow themselves to show the fun they had creating this marvel.”   Unquendor [Jeroen Bakker]

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Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on April 26, 2022, 04:34:13 am
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Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Vandermolen on July 04, 2022, 09:23:24 am
I liked Thomas Newman's soundtrack to the recent film about Tolkein. I'm old enough to remember listening to the original BBC radio dramatisation of LOTR (with Michael Hordern as Gandalf). It had fine accompanying music by the sadly short-lived Stephen Oliver. I have the LP but AFAIK the music was never released on CD which is regrettable:
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Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: paul corfield godfrey on July 04, 2022, 12:58:40 pm
In fact Stephen Oliver's music for THE LORD OF THE RINGS was issued on CD, as an additional disc to the 13-disc set of the complete BBC production in a luxurious presentation box. However the BBC subsequently remastered their original tapes, adjusting the layout to fit onto twelve CDs corresponding to the original books and films (with some additional material added to cover the revised order, I believe) and the CD would have disappeared at that time. The additional CD was especially valuable as it included full-length recordings of some of the items that only featured in the BBC dramatisation in parts, together with some useful booklet notes on the music itself.

The BBC themselves seem to be unaware of this CD's existence, as about a year ago when they broadcast an extract from Stephen Oliver's music on Radio 3 (following a request from a listener) they employed an LP version of the music.

The main problem with Stephen Oliver's music was that he was heavily restricted, presumably for financial reasons, in the orchestral forces he was able to employ: just strings, percussion and a solo horn. This seriously underchanged some of the more dramatic moments in the action. Nor, judging even by the results on the CD version, was much rehearsal time made available. Might I tentatively suggest that as a setting, for example, of Sam's song "In western lands" a more emotional response can be gained by listening to the same lyric when it appears in my own setting of "Beren and Lúthien" scored with a much larger ensemble and dramatic scope? Another "Lord of the Rings" poem will appear on next year's issue of "The


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: paul corfield godfrey on July 04, 2022, 01:04:01 pm
(My previous post was unexpectedly truncated!)

I was only going to remark that my setting of Legolas's song "To the sea" (from "The Return of the King") is featured as part of the text in "The War of Wrath", my newly-composed conclusion to the "Silmarillion" cycle which is due for issue next year. That also includes a complete setting of Bilbo's "Lay of Earendil" (from "The Fellowship of the Ring", the longest single poem in "The Lord of the Rings") where Tolkien's text is expanded for full chorus as a framework for the dramatic action describing that episode from the mythology. Other songs from "The Lord of the Rings" also featured on my album "Akallabeth and other Tolkien works" issued back in 2017.


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Vandermolen on July 04, 2022, 02:47:06 pm
Thanks very much Paul, that's really most interesting and best wishes for your own compositions.


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on July 05, 2022, 03:15:41 am
Great forgetfulness from me,animated film of 1978 was Bakshi's masterwork and it is truly a pity that it has not been followed up,Rosenman's soundtrack is one of 70's best where the techniques of the musical avant-garde integrated with those of the great classical tradition were used effectively
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/513JUZqlPTL.jpg)

I must say that making the beauty and complexity of the novel on the screen is an arduous undertaking in particular it is very difficult to mark the difference between the first volume, fairytale and similar to "the Hobbit" and the remaining two with a historical and epic tone


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Vandermolen on July 05, 2022, 11:24:15 am
Great forgetfulness from me,animated film of 1978 was Bakshi's masterwork and it is truly a pity that it has not been followed up,Rosenman's soundtrack is one of 70's best where the techniques of the musical avant-garde integrated with those of the great classical tradition were used effectively
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/513JUZqlPTL.jpg)

I must say that making the beauty and complexity of the novel on the screen is an arduous undertaking in particular it is very difficult to mark the difference between the first volume, fairytale and similar to "the Hobbit" and the remaining two with a historical and epic tone
I saw the film when it first came out and was puzzled that it ended 2/3 of the way through the book (did they run out of money?) The soundtrack was very good and I snapped up the CD.


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on July 06, 2022, 02:43:13 am
Great forgetfulness from me,animated film of 1978 was Bakshi's masterwork and it is truly a pity that it has not been followed up,Rosenman's soundtrack is one of 70's best where the techniques of the musical avant-garde integrated with those of the great classical tradition were used effectively
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/513JUZqlPTL.jpg)

I must say that making the beauty and complexity of the novel on the screen is an arduous undertaking in particular it is very difficult to mark the difference between the first volume, fairytale and similar to "the Hobbit" and the remaining two with a historical and epic tone
I saw the film when it first came out and was puzzled that it ended 2/3 of the way through the book (did they run out of money?) The soundtrack was very good and I snapped up the CD.

unfortunately it did not achieve the commercial success it deserved


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on July 14, 2022, 05:51:24 pm
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Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on October 23, 2022, 05:14:57 pm
https://www.tolkien-music.com/


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: relm1 on October 24, 2022, 02:11:23 am
Great forgetfulness from me,animated film of 1978 was Bakshi's masterwork and it is truly a pity that it has not been followed up,Rosenman's soundtrack is one of 70's best where the techniques of the musical avant-garde integrated with those of the great classical tradition were used effectively
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/513JUZqlPTL.jpg)

I must say that making the beauty and complexity of the novel on the screen is an arduous undertaking in particular it is very difficult to mark the difference between the first volume, fairytale and similar to "the Hobbit" and the remaining two with a historical and epic tone
I saw the film when it first came out and was puzzled that it ended 2/3 of the way through the book (did they run out of money?) The soundtrack was very good and I snapped up the CD.

unfortunately it did not achieve the commercial success it deserved

I saw the film as a kid and remember it was very, very weird.  Mixed live action footage with animation and an incomplete story.  What were they thinking?  Clearly it ran out of money and the producers didn't care.


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on October 25, 2022, 05:31:54 pm
Great forgetfulness from me,animated film of 1978 was Bakshi's masterwork and it is truly a pity that it has not been followed up,Rosenman's soundtrack is one of 70's best where the techniques of the musical avant-garde integrated with those of the great classical tradition were used effectively


I must say that making the beauty and complexity of the novel on the screen is an arduous undertaking in particular it is very difficult to mark the difference between the first volume, fairytale and similar to "the Hobbit" and the remaining two with a historical and epic tone
I saw the film when it first came out and was puzzled that it ended 2/3 of the way through the book (did they run out of money?) The soundtrack was very good and I snapped up the CD.

unfortunately it did not achieve the commercial success it deserved

I saw the film as a kid and remember it was very, very weird.  Mixed live action footage with animation and an incomplete story.  What were they thinking?  Clearly it ran out of money and the producers didn't care.
Ralph Bakhshi is a great animator neverthless also Jackson's movie cut many important thing as Tumulinande
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr_rb_pitHk


Title: Re: Tolkien in music
Post by: Toby Esterhase on October 28, 2022, 02:46:47 am
I have to congratulate this compatriot who had the courage to confront Tolkien translated
song of Barrow downs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFPi6LuMisI
I must apologize for using the term Tumulilande but the translation of Tolkien who invented his own language in Italian is particularly difficult