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Title: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest251 on November 03, 2016, 03:13:03 pm
Hurrah, at long last, and in stereo!!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Daniel-Jones-Symphonies-Nos-10/dp/B01MQD705P/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478182287&sr=8-1&keywords=lyrita (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Daniel-Jones-Symphonies-Nos-10/dp/B01MQD705P/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478182287&sr=8-1&keywords=lyrita)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Dundonnell on November 03, 2016, 06:54:17 pm
For some strange reason the link you provided didn't work for me-it took me to another site altogether ::)

However I found the forthcoming cd on the Amazon site eventually. (When I copied the url from the Amazon website the link didn't work either ::))

Symphonies Nos.1 and 10 :)  The longest of the Jones symphonies (No.1)-at 50 minutes-and one of the shorter later symphonies-19 minutes.

Wonderful news; I could not be better pleased and the release gets an unreserved and fulsome welcome fro me ;D :) Neither of these symphonies has ever been on cd.

(Now just to hope that Nos. 2, 3, 5, 11, 12 and the Symphony "In Memoriam John Fussell" will follow at some point ;D  Nos. 2, 3 and 5 are "big" works-43, 30 and 42 minutes respectively; the last three are shorter at 19, 17 and 27 minutes each.)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest145 on November 06, 2016, 10:24:18 pm
Wonderful news!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Gauk on November 07, 2016, 08:56:45 am
At last!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Dundonnell on November 08, 2016, 05:04:03 pm
Daniel Jones is one of 13 British symphonists born between 1900 and 1925 who wrote five or more symphonies.

These composers might be-very roughly-grouped into:

(a) "Romantics": William Alwyn (born 1905)-5 symphonies, all recorded, multiple versions; George Lloyd (born 1913)-12 symphonies, all recorded; Richard Arnell (born 1917)-7
                  symphonies, all recorded; Arthur Butterworth (born 1923)-7 symphonies, 4 on cd

(b) "Serialists/Modified Serialists": Benjamin Frankel (born 1906)-8 symphonies, all recorded; Humphrey Searle (born 1915)-5 symphonies, all recorded; Peter Racine Fricker (born
                   1920)-5 symphonies, 2 on cd

(c) "Tonalists": Edmund Rubbra (born 1901)-11 symphonies, all recorded; Arnold Cooke (born 1906)-6 symphonies, 4 on cd; William Wordsworth (born 1908)-8 symphonies, 4 on
                   cd;Daniel Jones (born 1912)-13 symphonies, 7 on cd (including the forthcoming Lyrita release); Sir Malcolm Arnold (born 1921)-9 symphonies, all recorded, multiple
                   versions; Ruth Gipps (born 1921)-5 symphonies, 1 on cd; Robert Simpson (born 1921)-11 symphonies, all recorded

Of course, I freely accept that these are very crude groupings and that there are differences (considerable in some cases) between the idioms used by these composers within groups and indeed between different symphonies composed throughout their lives by individual composers.

I have been teased at times for my (excessive? ;D) enthusiasm for many of these composers' works. But I do think that the symphonies of Daniel Jones rank very high within the body of symphonies composed by his (rough) contemporaries. I do think, for example, that they are more impressive and more interesting than the symphonies of Arnold Cooke ;D
It would therefore be "good" to have them all on cd.



Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest145 on November 08, 2016, 07:58:03 pm
A nice listing and stylistic breakdown, Colin.

However, let's not forget Ruth Gipps, born 1921, with 5 symphonies to her credit!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Dundonnell on November 08, 2016, 10:13:14 pm
A nice listing and stylistic breakdown, Colin.

However, let's not forget Ruth Gipps, born 1921, with 5 symphonies to her credit!

Indeed...sorry! Where would you place her in the above grouping? (c) ?


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest145 on November 09, 2016, 01:10:19 pm
Probably (c), possibly (a). I haven't listened to anything of hers in a while, so I don't have a clear impression at the moment.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Dundonnell on November 09, 2016, 03:05:26 pm
Probably (c), possibly (a). I haven't listened to anything of hers in a while, so I don't have a clear impression at the moment.

I agree. (c) it is.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Alex Bozman on November 09, 2016, 08:06:19 pm
I'm curious as to what features are suggested to distinguish a Romantic from a Tonalist in this division? 


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Gauk on November 10, 2016, 08:05:36 am
I'm curious as to what features are suggested to distinguish a Romantic from a Tonalist in this division? 

I don't think it's a useful division. Another forum has twisted itself in knots trying to define romanticism and failing. Very roughly, romanticism prioritises emotion over form. Brahms, for instance, is regarded as a classicist rather than a romantic, though he gets lumped in with the romantics by dint of temporal association.

It's easier to draw the line between those who converted to serialism and those who didn't.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Dundonnell on November 10, 2016, 07:31:14 pm
When I set up these groupings I acknowledged that they were "very rough" and "very crude". The so-called "Romantics" included composers whose music is mostly more lyrical than the so-called "Tonalists" but the main point of the post was simply to identify the major symphonists with at least five symphonies each born between 1900 and 1925 and to identify those whose symphonies were on cd. Dividing them into 'groups' was no more than to avoid a simple list of thirteen names. Malcolm Arnold's earlier symphonies, for example, are quite different from Nos. 7 and 8 in particular.

I accept that the distinctions may not be useful. If so.....ignore them. May main point was to emphasise the point that, of those composers named, Daniel Jones has as genuine a case to be regarded as one of the most important whose symphonies have not all been recorded and are on cd.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: northern on November 10, 2016, 09:52:36 pm
What about that well known tonal romanticist Denis ApIvor (1916-2004) and his five unrecorded symphonies.

Anyway commiserations to Cilgwyn - Daniel Jones' Symphony No. 1 is not No.2, is it ;D? Maybe that'll be next, or maybe not!!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Gauk on November 10, 2016, 11:48:55 pm
All the same, a long time ago there should have been a box set of the complete symphonies in new recordings. It's a ridiculous oversight that there is not.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on November 11, 2016, 12:45:20 pm
What about that well known tonal romanticist Denis ApIvor (1916-2004) and his five unrecorded symphonies.

Anyway commiserations to Cilgwyn - Daniel Jones' Symphony No. 1 is not No.2, is it ;D? Maybe that'll be next, or maybe not!!
;D Thanks for the sympathy! I must admit,I would have preferred a recording of No 2! The First is the only one that I haven't really liked. Not that I don't,at all. It just goes on a bit! Like me sometimes!!  ::) ;D Still,it is his First essay in the form (as far as I know?) and it needed to be recorded. I might like it better now in it's new shiny silver form,with the tracks detailed in the booklet,instead of a cd-r with a bit of scribbling on it?! Since a few of them are available in old,but very decent recordings,Lyrita won't have that many premiere recordings (on cd)to release. But as 'northern' might say......"maybe not!" :( ;D


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Dundonnell on November 30, 2016, 11:30:56 pm
I am informed that following the January release of the Daniel Jones Symphonies Nos. 1 and 10, Nos. 2, 3, 5, 11 and 12 are being prepared for release in 2017/2018-all in the performances by the BBC Welsh Symphony Orchestra under Bryden Thomson.

This is one of the best pieces of musical news I have heard for a long time......so I shall go away and cheer with maximum enthusiasm  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on December 01, 2016, 10:40:58 am
I totally and utterly agree! :) :) Bad news for my bank balance,mind! :( So many releases suddenly. Holbrooke from Cpo,and another one on the horizon. A release of Sacheverell Coke Piano concertos,at some point (next year?) More Havergal Brian from Naxos (a budget release) and I see they've already got a conductor lined up for his Faust opera (but haven't quite got enough funding....yet!) Missa Cambrensis by Grace Williams from Lyrita too,I believe?! (Soon?) It could be an expensive year ahead!! ::) ;D And I've just been listening to a commercial cd recording of Bernard Van Dieren's Chinese Symphony. Pinch me,I'm dreaming! :-\ ;D Other that,I'm delighted! Although,it sounds like Dundonell might need a sit down & a nice cup of tea after all this excitement!

Incidentally,I didn't realise until now that Grace Williams had her own website:

http://gracewilliamscompo.wixsite.com/officialwebsite (http://gracewilliamscompo.wixsite.com/officialwebsite) (Hope this link work. It is up there!)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Dundonnell on January 31, 2017, 03:51:47 pm
See this discussion on the Musicweb Forum and, in particular, the response from Antony Smith of the Lyrita Recorded Edition Trust.

http://members2.boardhost.com/MusicWebUK/msg/1478278437.html (http://members2.boardhost.com/MusicWebUK/msg/1478278437.html)

It is marvellous to actually get a public response from a record company :)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on January 31, 2017, 04:29:42 pm
Wow! Just read the posts. Excellent! It's heartening to know that they are reading,and not only that,taking notice of such posts!

Regarding Chandos. I wonder if it's purely a matter finances? The economic downturn (as they have pointed out) and the loss of those conductors who undoubtedly had such great enthusiasm for more off the beaten track repertoire? Is it possibly more to do with some change of direction at the helm? Brian Couzens died not so long ago (*2015). Is it possible that his son has different ideas? They often do! Lyrita and Dutton manage some very interesting releases of less commercial fare. Chandos,on the other hand,judging from their releases over the last few years,seem to have very little interest if any at all. Albeit,with a few minor exceptions (I see they've brought out a cd of British tone poems). Also,their increased repetition of repertoire which has already received very good,if not excellent,recordings elsewhere,ie Atterberg and Raff,for example,when they could be spending money and time on composers and music that remains unrecorded,has been ill served on cd,or available only via inadequate recordings.

Just wondering?!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Grandenorm on January 31, 2017, 10:48:34 pm
I fear the glory days of Chandos and British music are over. They have turned into just another record label. Very disappointing.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on February 01, 2017, 02:17:40 pm
It's their choice of repertoire that made them so special. I wonder if they might end up shooting themselves in the foot,though? If you want the sort of recordings they are making now there are plenty of other labels to choose from. I didn't really like one of the comments made by Couzens,in an interview,about some of the suggestions made on their forum. After all,it's people like us who helped make them so successful! Of course some suggestions were unrealistic. A complete Cauldron of Annwn cycle!! (Now who would post that?!! ;D) But they did ask!!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Dundonnell on February 01, 2017, 02:44:42 pm
We have discussed this issue on a number of previous occasions. Whether Chandos has made a decision on artistic or on commercial grounds the path the company is now taking seems to be clear. As far as British music is concerned the general focus appears to be to in the main record repertoire which has already been recorded in years gone by but now using conductors like Sir Andrew Davis and Edward Gardner.

There are exceptions. We know, for example, that Chandos plans to record the David Matthews Symphony No.8 coupled with "A Vision of the Sea" and "Toward Sunrise" with the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra under Jac van Steen. This was due to be recorded last year but has now been delayed until "sometime in 2017". One might have expected this from Dutton (which has recorded recent music by Matthews). I am however struggling to think when I last bought a Chandos disc of "new" British music.

One has to assume that the Davis and Gardner recordings, which have received enthusiastic reviews, do sell in sufficient quantities to justify Chandos continuing with this policy. I do not buy them because I already have the music in perfectly acceptable (and often much more than that!) performances and I need to conserve my cash for other things. Others are obviously of a different mind.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on February 01, 2017, 05:03:59 pm
Somm, EM Records, Dutton, CPO and Lyrita (and still occasionally Naxos) are now my go-tos for the repertoire that I'm interested in. Chandos and Hyperion have largely had their day as far as I'm concerned. The deaths of Vernon Handley and Richard Hickox in close succession were, in hindsight, a real tragedy for British repertoire. Still, there is much to hope for from enterprising conductors such as Martyn Brabbins and John Andrews...

 :)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Gauk on February 01, 2017, 08:54:09 pm
On the other hand, this looks nice:

https://www.chandos.net/products/catalogue/CHAN%2010939 (https://www.chandos.net/products/catalogue/CHAN%2010939)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Grandenorm on February 01, 2017, 10:32:45 pm
Yes. It probably will be very nice - but almost everything has been recorded before (not that I'm complaining - it is always nice to have different recordings/interpretations).


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on February 02, 2017, 12:55:41 pm
First it was British Overtures,now it's tone poems! A token gesture towards those who once flipped the pages of their new Gramophone Magazine straight to the Chandos ad to see what exciting premiere recordings they had in store for us! Maybe,a sign of hope? As to their Job and Ninth Symphony cd. A nice combination. Two favourite works (of mine anyway) but there are other very fine,classic or,at the very least,interesting options! ::) Yawn! ::)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Dundonnell on February 02, 2017, 01:03:57 pm
Re-reading recent posts which have mentioned record companies and their support for British music I realised that I certainly had omitted to include Naxos. That company has also done wonderful work: the Havergal Brian series obviously,but also complete sets of the symphonies of Stanford, Bax, Alwyn, Arnold spring to mind but there was also, for example, John Gardner's Symphony No.1 and the reissues of the first six Maxwell Davies symphonies.

So...well done to Naxos too  


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on February 02, 2017, 01:19:30 pm
And interesting releases of British chamber music. Their new and upcoming releases are certainly worth a look! :) Yes,well done Naxos! :)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on February 02, 2017, 04:03:54 pm
Re-reading recent posts which have mentioned record companies and their support for British music I realised that I certainly had omitted to include Naxos. That company has also done wonderful work: the Havergal Brian series obviously,but also complete sets of the symphonies of Stanford, Bax, Alwyn, Arnold spring to mind but there was also, for example, John Gardner's Symphony No.1 and the reissues of the first six Maxwell Davies symphonies.

So...well done to Naxos too  

Their series of recordings by the Bach Choir and Bournemouth SO under David Hill goes from strength to strength - Howells' Stabat mater, Stanford's Stabat mater and soon Dyson's early Choral Symphony and St Paul's Voyage to Melita. The Vernon Handley recording of the latter (s really splendid piece) on Somm is serviceable but let down by an insecure Bournemouth SO Chorus. When the new recording comes out it will make all of Dyson's major choral works available in strong performances:

Choral Symphony, Psalm 107, O Give Thanks Unto the Lord (Hill on Naxos)
In Honour of the City (Hickox on Chandos or Willcocks on Somm)
The Canterbury Pilgrims (Hickox on Chandos)
The Blacksmiths (Willcocks on Somm)
Nebuchadnezzar (Hickox on Chandos)
St Paul's Voyage to Melita (Hill on Naxos)
Quo vadis? (Hickox on Chandos)
Sweet Thames Run Softly (Willcocks on Somm)


 :)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Kinder on February 04, 2017, 08:47:14 am
And interesting releases of British chamber music. Their new and upcoming releases are certainly worth a look! :) Yes,well done Naxos! :)

I think we should put in a word for the British Music Society, which I think has probably funded the recording of the Fricker String Quartets (and several others - see their 'recordings' page: http://www.britishmusicsociety.com/recordings/ (http://www.britishmusicsociety.com/recordings/); the Fricker doesn't seem to have appeared there yet, but reading the rear label on the Amazon site reveals the involvement of the BMS.)  I once spoke to one of the committee members, who implied that Naxos is prepared to issue recordings on the basis that the material is supplied to them.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on February 04, 2017, 11:00:05 am
I used to be a member of the bms years ago. Their newsletters and 'magazine' were very interesting;particularly in those pre-internet days when you couldn't just look up something via search engine!. I remember Rob Barnett's involvement. I first heard of Stanley Bate,Morfydd Owen and other neglected composers from perusing their publications. Is anyone here a member? The subscription got a bit too expensive for me at the time................and what with moving around,and subscriptions to other societies and magazines!! ::) :(


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on June 11, 2017, 07:28:23 pm
Announced for August, 4 (on Amazon.co.uk)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Daniel-Jones-Symphonies-Nos-11/dp/B071VZBWWH/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1497205630&sr=1-3&keywords=daniel+jones


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on October 06, 2018, 12:14:37 pm
I'm very disappointed that Lyrita haven't released any more recordings of Daniel Jones symphonies. They did say in the booklet,with the cd(s) that there would be more. I suppose,I'm being impatient;but I'm beginning to wonder?!! There have been other releases,but no Daniel Jones. Did they not sell very well? Have they lost interest?!! I hope not. I think,about,two more cd's and they would have completed the cycle? Also,I'm not optimistic of the chances of any cd's of Daniel Jones from any other label! Of course,there is Tŷ Cerdd,which has released cd's of Morfydd Owen,recently;which has had very good reviews,and a cd of Piano concertos by William Mathias (one of them,an archive recording of Mathias playing).

https://www.tycerdd.org/ (https://www.tycerdd.org/)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Vandermolen on October 06, 2018, 12:46:58 pm
I'm very disappointed that Lyrita haven't released any more recordings of Daniel Jones symphonies. They did say in the booklet,with the cd(s) that there would be more. I suppose,I'm being impatient;but I'm beginning to wonder?!! There have been other releases,but no Daniel Jones. Did they not sell very well? Have they lost interest?!! I hope not. I think,about,two more cd's and they would have completed the cycle? Also,I'm not optimistic of the chances of any cd's of Daniel Jones from any other label! Of course,there is Tŷ Cerdd,which has released cd's of Morfydd Owen,recently;which has had very good reviews,and a cd of Piano concertos by William Mathias;one recording of which,is of an archive recording of Mathias,himself,playing.

https://www.tycerdd.org/ (https://www.tycerdd.org/)

Yes, let's hope for more Daniel Jones from Lyrita. I'm looking forward to 'The Apocalypse' by Eugene Goossens.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Dundonnell on October 06, 2018, 01:00:57 pm
(How nice it is to be back to discussing music!)

You will not be surprised to hear that I too am very concerned about the promised Daniel Jones cycle! I have had it in mind for several weeks to email Paul Conway (who writes all the booklet notes for Lyrita). Paul is sworn to secrecy about future Lyrita releases but it would d no harm to try to get some indication from him!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Vandermolen on October 06, 2018, 04:14:37 pm
(How nice it is to be back to discussing music!)

You will not be surprised to hear that I too am very concerned about the promised Daniel Jones cycle! I have had it in mind for several weeks to email Paul Conway (who writes all the booklet notes for Lyrita). Paul is sworn to secrecy about future Lyrita releases but it would d no harm to try to get some indication from him!

His notes are always excellent. Probably worth a try Colin.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on October 15, 2019, 02:57:49 pm
Dead silence on this topic. Pity, Lyrita. I eagerly await the rest of Jones' symphonies!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Gauk on July 19, 2020, 09:36:02 pm
What's needed is a box set of the complete symphonies in modern performances. The absence is a scandal.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: gabriel on July 25, 2020, 11:51:14 pm
I don't know if you agree with me, but I really like Graham Whetton, from whom I just heard an old radio version of his Sinfonia Dramatica on YouTube.
It is surprising that Dutton and some other companies are recording works of lesser interest from other composers, and there are no new versions of his neglected works (I am not, of course, unaware of the two wonderful Redcliffe albums, whose recordings are four decades old, or more).
I wonder if this "discrimination" - like the one Alan Bush once suffered - does not respond to ideological reasons. Which, if true, would disappoint me greatly about England.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest128 on July 26, 2020, 12:18:17 am
You mean Graham Whettam, right?


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: gabriel on July 26, 2020, 12:36:53 am
Please, sorry for my mistake: Yes, Graham Whettam.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: jonah on July 27, 2020, 12:38:23 pm
Please reserve this thread for talk of Daniel Jones and his symphonies.
If you wish to comment on Graham Whettam, who is worth a mention, you should start a new thread, please.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest128 on July 29, 2020, 07:34:59 am
Please reserve this thread for talk of Daniel Jones and his symphonies.
If you wish to comment on Graham Whettam, who is worth a mention, you should start a new thread, please.

Our new moderator.

Do we really need one?

When the action here is so slow and often in a coma, are OT posts truly such an offense?

Let's be pleased with anything that might get our hearts beating.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: jonah on July 29, 2020, 03:09:59 pm
I am not a moderator, just someone who is eagerly awaiting Lyrita’s completion of the Daniel Jones Symphonies cycle, and was frustrated to find that the post I commented on was nothing to do with Daniel Jones.
Graham Whettam’s music is certainly worthy of comment, but that should be posted on a new thread.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest128 on July 29, 2020, 07:27:40 pm
I am not a moderator, just someone who is eagerly awaiting Lyrita’s completion of the Daniel Jones Symphonies cycle, and was frustrated to find that the post I commented on was nothing to do with Daniel Jones.
Graham Whettam’s music is certainly worthy of comment, but that should be posted on a new thread.

Yes, I agree Gabriel's post about Graham Whettam was a bit "ad hoc", - but "frustrating"?   Sometimes you make a mental association, as in that moment Gabriel thinking about Daniel Jones led his mind to Graham Whettam via some neural networking mechanism, and he then just quite spontaneously articulated the thought that was provoked.  On a deeper level, that's how creativity happens, and more superficially, - conversation.  Tangents are a quite normal and sometimes even delightful phenomenon when observed in recognizably informal mediums like this one, and any "errant" expressions generally (and gently) re-directed back to their original take-off point by simply continuing on with the centralizing topic, rather than called out directly for censure.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Clambert on January 16, 2021, 12:16:25 pm
This will make one board member very happy...


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jones-Symphonies-Nos-3-5/dp/B08QS68XQG/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=lyrita&qid=1610799169&s=music&sr=1-1


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on January 16, 2021, 12:51:28 pm
Thanks for this, what a splendid prospect - nearing the completion of the cycle, only number 12 and the Symphony in memoriam John Fussell (Symphony No 13) to go in commercial release! How wonderful that Lyrita has not gone completely silent...

 :)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest251 on January 16, 2021, 02:55:55 pm
Wonderful news indeed. I have to admit, I had almost given up on the remaining discs appearing, especially with the challenges of the current world situation.
Has anyone heard from Colin (Dundonnell) by the way? He seems to have been silent here for some time.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: PJ on January 22, 2021, 06:13:31 pm
Thanks for the excellent news!

Wonderful!

P


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest145 on January 24, 2021, 12:24:11 am
No news from Colin, sadly.

Maris


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on January 24, 2021, 01:08:55 am
No news from Colin, sadly.

Maris

Greatly missed...

 :(


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: JimL on January 25, 2021, 12:56:46 pm
Do you think he's ill or dead?


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on January 25, 2021, 03:17:29 pm
Do you think he's ill or dead?

Hopefully neither, although it is very worrying that his own website in which he rightly took such great pride (mainly devoted to the listing of political and diplomatic personnel, besides composers) has not been updated for some time either...


 :( ??? :(


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest128 on January 25, 2021, 08:10:27 pm
Many months after Colin departed AMF Maris relayed a private message between them wherein Colin indicated he was alive and well, - so his initial disappearance, at least, was certainly not the result of death or ill-health. 

He's still Forum Administrator/Moderator AFAIK, - working behind the scenes, it must be.

Anyone perusing his last post(s) here will see that me and him were having a scrap, Colin's final words being "on that basis, further discussion is pointless" - something he apparently meant on a larger scale than anticipated.

Not that I've ever felt guilty, or responsible for driving him off.

Colin was thin-skinned in the extreme and easily provoked (even without intention), often playing out his own inner dramas.

But maybe the causality was entirely different.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on January 25, 2021, 09:15:32 pm
Greg, I am sorry to derail this thread even further from the very worthwhile topic of Daniel Jones Symphonies and their issue on Lyrita, but until I hear from Colin personally I will be loath to believe that he is absent merely as the result of a personal spat. Whatever his prey to "inner-dramas" is or was I have neither idea nor interest - none of us can be accused of being entirely equanimous. He was an energetic and knowledgeable contributor to this and other forums (God knows, I try my best to be, despite my own ill-health) and very unlikely to have vanished from our discussion without a word. Maris would indeed undoubtedly know if Colin is "working behind the scenes", but it is certainly not my place to ask him and nor would I intrude upon their private correspondence...

 :-\


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest128 on January 25, 2021, 10:08:09 pm
Greg, I am sorry to derail this thread even further from the very worthwhile topic of Daniel Jones Symphonies and their issue on Lyrita, but until I hear from Colin personally I will be loath to believe that he is absent merely as the result of a personal spat.
:-\

It would seem improbable, I agree, that a mere post (or posts) here could provoke such an outcome.  I only note the association.

More likely he's off on one of his "projects", with which he's known to be rather obsessive.

Assuming contact can be made, why doesn't someone just ask him what's going on (and say we'd all like to have him back)?



Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: JimL on January 26, 2021, 02:09:12 am
Well, it would be nice, I daresay, if some of us could have more personal contact than through forum posts. I have actually met in person one of my former correspondents in the UCF, and we maintain some contact to this day, even though I am no longer welcome in that "ahem" august body. I would actually like it if my friend would participate in this forum, although he may be an inactive member. I am referring to eschiss1, if you know to whom I refer.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on January 26, 2021, 08:58:40 am
I am no longer welcome in that "ahem" august body.

Neither am I, for reasons which several members know...

I would actually like it if my friend would participate in this forum, although he may be an inactive member. I am referring to eschiss1, if you know to whom I refer.

Yes, Eric would be an asset. Incidentally, where's cilgywn?

 :)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: JimL on January 26, 2021, 11:41:26 am
Probably the same reason as me, unless you departed voluntarily. Alan got me booted out.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on January 26, 2021, 12:50:44 pm
Probably the same reason as me, unless you departed voluntarily. Alan got me booted out.

I became frankly tired of being treated like a naughty schoolboy because I did not subscribe to the obsessive idea of the "masterpiece", the restriction of discussion to so-called "Romantic" composers or the uninformed denigration of composers who did not "fit in" with the moderators' personal tastes or interests. I simply transferred the British and Irish Music Archive over here and continue to poke around the dusty hinterland of late Victorian and Edwardian British music...

 ;D


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Beorn on January 29, 2021, 11:21:34 am
Dear members, let me return to Daniel Jones.

I've just finished exploring his symphonies available on yt. They are all there except the sixth and the seventh. All very rich in orchestration, my preference goes to no. 12, which I found most immediately captivating, followed by no. 2.

I'm curious to know the preferences of other members ...


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on January 29, 2021, 02:35:29 pm
I'm curious to know the preferences of other members ...

I personally prefer the greater concision of numbers 10-12, but they are all extremely rewarding works which deserve far wider recognition and the completion of the cycle on Lyrita can't come soon enough...

 :)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on February 02, 2021, 08:49:04 pm
"Yes, Eric would be an asset. Incidentally, where's cilgywn?"

Here,actually! ;D I did try and log-in several months ago,but for some reason,I couldn't get in! For some reason,I had some idea I might be unwelcome,and I didn't try again........until I saw Albion's post! As to my disappearance? I may have some explaining to do?!! ::) :-[ Still useless with digital technology,though & unable to quote Albion's post with a different colour background,like everyone else,on this forum! ::) Only the other day,I switched off a rather dour Scotswoman who had been trying to telephone me,by pressing "Off",instead of just lifting the receiver,like everyone else!! ::) Nice to see the recent flurry of posts on the forum! :)

Another volume in the Lyrita Daniel Jones series,too!! Oh,and I'm sorry to hear of Colin's disappearance. I do hope he's okay!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on February 02, 2021, 09:07:14 pm
"Yes, Eric would be an asset. Incidentally, where's cilgywn?"

Here,actually! ;D I did try and log-in several months ago,but for some reason,I couldn't get in! For some reason,I had some idea I might be unwelcome,and I didn't try again........until I saw Albion's post! As to my disappearance? I may have some explaining to do?!! ::) Still useless with digital technology,though & unable to quote Albion's post with a different colour background,like everyone else,on this forum! ::) Only the other day,I switched off a rather dour Scotswoman who had been trying to telephone me,by pressing "Off",instead of just lifting the receiver,like everyone else!! ::) Nice to see the recent flurry of posts on the forum! :)

Hooray! Great to ''see'' you again. You are always a great enthusiast (and we certainly need that)...

 ;)

...except, if I remember, for York Bowen...

 :o

...and I bet that Lyrita's ongoing commitment to a Daniel Jones symphony cycle has gladdened your heart.

 ;D


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on February 02, 2021, 09:15:30 pm
Yes,the Daniel Jones cd is wonderful news! :) :) :) I must admit I was beginning to wonder!  And it's good to see "see" you again,Albion. I'm sorry to hear of Colin's disappearance,though. I hope he's okay?!!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on February 02, 2021, 09:20:26 pm
I'm sorry to hear of Colin's disappearance,though.

Me too.

I hope he's okay?!!

Glad that you are.

 :)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on February 02, 2021, 10:00:35 pm
Yes,the Daniel Jones cd is wonderful news! :) :) :) I must admit I was beginning to wonder!


Bryden Thomson is still a woefully underrated interpreter and now a largely forgotten one it seems - his Bax symphony series (but, strangely enough not the tone poems) is usually dismissed nowadays following the release of Tod Handley's (admittedly excellent) cycle...

 ::)

He is excellent in Harty, Martinu and Nielsen too.

 :)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on February 02, 2021, 10:18:22 pm
I was interested to read the posts on favourite Daniel Jones symphonies. My favourites are 1,2.4,7 & 8. Unlike some members,I seem to prefer the earlier symphonies. In that respect,I will be particularly keen to acquire the forthcoming cd. No's 4 & 7 will always have a particular appeal,because they were the first I heard,on a library Lp,when I was a youngster. And for some years,they represented all I knew of the cycle. So,if thumbscrews were to be used,I might settle for 4 & 7,if I really had to narrow it down!But it would have to be a thumbscrew job,I'm afraid!! I find the,more expansive,1 & 2 are very absorbing. And I love the instrumentation in No 8. (Marimba's and kettle drums!). I was re-reading the original review of the Lyrita cd (of 4,7 & 8 ) on Musicweb. Stephen Hall raves about the richness of his orchestration,and I can't help but agree!

Yes,it always annoys me (not that I'm chewing the carpet,over it! ;D) that Chandos don't seem to value Bryden Thomson,quite as much as,Handley & Hickox!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on February 03, 2021, 11:33:01 am
For anyone coming new to this thread wanting to explore these wonderful symphonies, here is a summary including the new issue:

Symphony No.1 (1947)   - Lyrita SRCD358 (released 2017) BBC Welsh SO/ Bryden Thomson
Symphony No.2 (1950)   - Lyrita SRCD364 (released 2017) BBC Welsh SO/ Bryden Thomson
Symphony No.3 (1951)   - Lyrita SRCD390 (released 2021) BBC Welsh SO/ Bryden Thomson
Symphony No.4 (1954)   - Lyrita SRCD329 (released 2007) RPO/ Charles Groves
Symphony No.5 (1958)   - Lyrita SRCD390 (released 2021) BBC Welsh SO/ Bryden Thomson
Symphony No.6 (1964)   - Lyrita SRCD326 (released 1996) RPO/ Charles Groves
Symphony No.7 (1972)   - Lyrita SRCD329 (released 2007) RPO/ Charles Groves
Symphony No.8 (1972)   - Lyrita SRCD329 (released 2007) BBC Welsh SO/ Bryden Thomson
Symphony No.9 (1974)   - Lyrita SRCD326 (released 1996) BBC Welsh SO/ Bryden Thomson
Symphony No.10 (1981) - Lyrita SRCD358 (released 2017) BBC Welsh SO/ Bryden Thomson
Symphony No.11 (1983) - Lyrita SRCD364 (released 2017) BBC Welsh SO/ Bryden Thomson

which leaves

Symphony No.12 (1985)
Symphony (No.13) in memory of John Fussell (1992)

the following broadcasts of which are in the British and Irish Music archive:

Symphony No.12 (1985) BBC Welsh SO/ Bryden Thomson (broadcast 3/3/1990)

Symphony No.12 (1985) BBC NOW/ Grant Llewellyn (broadcast 17/10/2012)

Symphony (No.13) in memory of John Fussell (1992) BBC Welsh SO/ Richard Hickox (broadcast 7/12/1992)

Symphony (No.13) in memory of John Fussell (1992) BBC NOW/ Tecwyn Evans (broadcast 21/1/2017)


All of these will remain in the archive until the next Lyrita release. It is reasonable to assume that they will choose Bryden Thomson's broadcast of No.12. For No.13 I suspect it will be Richard Hickox (Thomson died in 1991).

 :)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest128 on February 04, 2021, 12:52:38 am
I'm curious to know the preferences of other members ...

I personally prefer the greater concision of numbers 10-12, but they are all extremely rewarding works which deserve far wider recognition and the completion of the cycle on Lyrita can't come soon enough...

 :)

I entirely agree about Nos.10-12, the only three Jones Symphonies I find substantially communicative to me personally (together with which I would include the Violin Concerto).


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on March 14, 2021, 02:42:49 pm
A (very) mini-review of the download version,of the forthcoming cd of Symphonies 3 & 5. (You scroll down,below the Beulah reviews). Being a dinosaur (albeit,a small one! :() I'll be waiting for the actual cd!

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Mar/Voices-past.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Mar/Voices-past.htm)

I've got the 2cd Chandos set of his String Quartets,by the way. Sellers ask eye watering prices & it took me a few years to find an affordable copy! But it was well worth it. Hopefully,Chandos,or another label,will reissue the set,one fine day?!!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on March 14, 2021, 03:29:14 pm
Being a dinosaur (albeit,a small one! :() I'll be waiting for the actual cd!

I must admit to preferring physical objects - LPs (back in the day), CDs, books, scores, etc. - to digital media...

(https://www.tmpatelschool.edu.in/webdata/pages/page_content/4f8900f689ade119fb59444cf863ee4e.jpg)

...and I dread the day (which, hopefully, I won't live to see) when these old-fashioned things become totally obsolete.

 ::)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest822 on March 14, 2021, 03:47:34 pm
Being a dinosaur (albeit,a small one! :() I'll be waiting for the actual cd!

I must admit to preferring physical objects - LPs (back in the day), CDs, books, scores, etc. - to digital media...
...and I dread the day (which, hopefully, I won't live to see) when these old-fashioned things become totally obsolete.

 ::)

Well said, that man.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on March 14, 2021, 09:24:44 pm
A (very) mini-review of the download version,of the forthcoming cd of Symphonies 3 & 5. (You scroll down,below the Beulah reviews). Being a dinosaur (albeit,a small one! :() I'll be waiting for the actual cd!

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Mar/Voices-past.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Mar/Voices-past.htm)

I've got the 2cd Chandos set of his String Quartets,by the way. Sellers ask eye watering prices & it took me a few years to find an affordable copy! But it was well worth it. Hopefully,Chandos,or another label,will reissue the set,one fine day?!!
I'm a bit behind the times here,considering my Avatar!! ::) :-[ ;D It is,of course,available to buy,now! The fact,that I blocked off allot of websites,like Amazon,to try and reduce my expenditure on cd's,hasn't helped! ::) I think I might wait for a drop in price,or offer,on this,though! Much as I would like to get my copy,hot off the press,as they say! :(  Unlike,Albion I like the earlier ones,best (Up to No 9!).


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on March 15, 2021, 09:20:03 am
The Lyrita disc of symphonies 2 and 11 has a review today - http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Mar/Jones-sys-SRCD364.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Mar/Jones-sys-SRCD364.htm)

 :)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on March 22, 2021, 11:59:11 pm
And the Musicweb review (of 3 & 5)!

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Mar/Jones-sys-SRCD390.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Mar/Jones-sys-SRCD390.htm)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on March 23, 2021, 02:31:15 am
This (now thankfully) ongoing series from Lyrita not only showcases Daniel Jones' music but also serves to remind us of the tragic premature death of Bryden Thomson. His discography should have been much larger given his expertise in repertoire as diverse as Harty, Jones, Bax, Hummel, Nielsen, Walton and Martinu...

(http://img2-ak.lst.fm/i/u/avatar300s/316872b75ad74ad0bb64202168d7d258.jpg)

 :'(


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest822 on March 23, 2021, 10:23:14 am
This (now thankfully) ongoing series from Lyrita not only showcases Daniel Jones' music but also serves to remind us of the tragic premature death of Bryden Thomson. His discography should have been much larger given his expertise in repertoire as diverse as Harty, Jones, Bax, Hummel, Nielsen, Walton and Martinu...



Agreed. I am particularly grateful for his recordings of Hamilton Harty, a fine composer whose lovely orchestral music would be largely unrecorded if it weren't for Bryden Thomson. I'd be hard put to it to pick a favourite among them but if pushed, I'd probably go for the Violin Concerto with Ralph Holmes, another tragic loss at the age of only 47.

Sorry. Back to Daniel Jones Symphonies!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on March 23, 2021, 01:05:50 pm
Duly bought! :) I found the Lyrita cd on offer & duly posted a cheque late last night! In an envelope with a stamp on it! :o The shop doesn't have a website & must be one of the only places I can think of that still sends out paper lists. I use them now & again,because my pc's have gone down before,and it was,thanks to them,that I was able to buy some new releases at reasonable prices! And it's quite good fun to send off a cheque in an envelope,now & again! Like the good 'ole days,darn at the Ole Bull & Bush (with Leonard Sachs?!!) I just hope their lack of a website doesn't mean they go bust before I receive my order?!! :( ::) ;D

NB: With my Avatar,you feel like a hypocrite,not buying it!! :( (I'm going to have to change it before the next release?!! ::) ;D)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: jonah on March 23, 2021, 06:19:24 pm
Care to share the details of this company issuing lists? - I thought that they had all vanished!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on March 23, 2021, 07:32:59 pm
Classics Direct. They,usually,advertise in Gramophone Magazine. A small ad,in the corner of the page. I don't buy the Magazine,anymore. But I've browsed it in WH Smith! And yes,they send out paper lists!! :o (You can view them via the hyperlink below) I only used them,when my pc went down! But I've bought cds from them a few times,since. They have monthly offers on labels,which can be quite good, and will order a cd if they haven't got it in stock. My orders have arrived reasonably quickly,after sending a cheque. Although,it won't be as quick as ordering on the internet. Cd's arrive well packed. I haven't had anything damaged,to date. I occasionally send a cheque,if they have something on offer. Just to help keep them going,if I'm off the internet again. And,of course,there are people who don't have it! Also,it's a bit of retro fun,now & again! They even accept postal orders. (It's a long time since I used them!) I wonder how long they'll last,though? They don't seem to have a proper,bells and whistles,website? And so many have gone,over the years! Good luck to them,I say!

http://www.classicsdirect.co.uk/ (http://www.classicsdirect.co.uk/)

NB: Cheque posted in the wee hours of Tuesday morning! I'll report back here,when the cd arrives! We'll see how long it takes?!!


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on March 29, 2021, 03:33:15 pm
My Lyrita cd of Daniel Jones Symphonies 3 & 5 arrived this morning! (Cheque posted in the early hours of Tuesday last (March 23rd) by 'snail mail',as it's derisively termed these days!) I think that's pretty good! :) Securely packed in one of those bubble lined jiffy bags. Thank you Classics Direct. (NB: I have no connection with them,except as a customer!!)

As to the cd & the music on it! The transfers are absolutely great. I don't want this to be taken the wrong way as I am very grateful for the uploads made available here (and I wish I had a cassette recorder as good as the machine that taped those broadcasts) but there is no comparison with the sound quality on the Lyrita cd. If you only know these symphonies from uploads,or maybe Youtube,and you like the music of Daniel Jones,you need to hear what Lyrita has done with these broadcast recordings!

I must admit to being a bit of a fan of these symphonies. I like all of them,but to date,marginally,prefer No's 1-9,to the later ones. I tend to agree with allot of the opinions expressed in the Musicweb review,by David McDade (see hyperlink below). There is a Sibelian feel,or atmosphere,about some of these earlier symphonies. Although,I'm not saying they sound like the great Finnish master. But I can hear the Gower coast and seascapes in this music,somewhere;and I think some of the view from Jones' window has definitely found it's way into this music. The plaintive woodwind,craggy brass and often haunting,desolate landscapes evoked by his strings. I can almost see the cliffs and seabirds,at times. But it's certainly not nature painting of the Baxian kind! I think these are absorbing,gripping symphonic statements,and I find it astonishing,and a little sad, that it has taken so long for these symphonies to reach Lp,or cd! That said,I'm sorry to say,given the neglect that befalls so many fine composers,that I'm not,completely,unsuprised. I just hope such releases will lead,eventually,to the reappraisal and recognition,Daniel Jones' music,undoubtedly,deserves. It's also wonderful to have more of that fine conductor Bryden Thomson,on cd. And,hopefully,before long,another complete cycle of symphonies by an important composer?!

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Mar/Jones-sys-SRCD390.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2021/Mar/Jones-sys-SRCD390.htm)   (Review,cited,in my post!)



Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest822 on March 29, 2021, 04:04:42 pm
I have to admit that I don't have a note of Jones's music in my collection. You paint a vivid picture of his style, which I like the sound of and so I guess I must throw caution to the wind and invest in some. (Thinks - next Old Age Pension payment due in two weeks' time...).


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on March 29, 2021, 04:48:46 pm
Don't expect it to sound like Sibelius,though! Daniel Jones has a craggy surface. But his orchestration is more colourful (less grey) than composers like Cooke,Wordsworth or Rawsthorne,for example. By Sibelian I am referring to his use of woodwind and brass,the desolate,haunting feel to some of his string landcapes. I can 'see' the Gower coastline and hear the gulls wheeling,somewhere here. But,not literally! There's no Baxian style,nature painting,as such! It's all very abstract. But it's hard to believe he didn't have these views in his mind,somewhere,when he composed. The symphonies get craggier and more concentrated as they go along. I think if I was to begin somewhere,the Lyrita cd of 4,7 & 8,might be a good place to start? These,along with No's 6 & 9 were the ones originally released on Lp.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest822 on March 29, 2021, 05:33:16 pm
I think if I was to begin somewhere,the Lyrita cd of 4,7 & 8,might be a good place to start? These,along with No's 6 & 9 were the ones originally released on Lp.

Thanks for that suggestion, cilgwyn. I shall follow it.  ;D


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: Albion on March 29, 2021, 11:11:45 pm
Daniel Jones has a craggy surface.

Charming! Comes of living with Mrs Jones, I suppose...

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2a/80/22/2a8022a2b9e0b180937d3d740fc7e4d2.jpg)

 ;D


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on March 30, 2021, 12:38:48 pm
After trying to describe Daniel Jones' music to Lionel,I was,ruefully reminded of how hard it is to describe music in words. The only one who could ever really bring it off,for me,was Malcolm MacDonald. His books on the Havergal Brian symphonies being classics of their kind. Still,you can try! Rob Barnett's descriptions of the music of neglected works and obscure composers must have cost me,quite a few pennies,over the years.

I think the new Daniel Jones cd is one of the best,to date. Not that I don't like all of them. Both are fine symphonies. David McDade describes the Fifth as a "more direct score". I think he's referring to it's being less introspective,more outgoing? I think if I had to pick,it's the finest of the two. I'm sure I have read,somewhere,that it was one of the finest of the cycle? They're both fine and rewarding symphonies. I find them very absorbing. As to why the Welsh haven't warmed to them? I think the reasons are a little more complex than some of the reviews I've read have suggested? Hopefully,having these symphonies available on cd in such excellent performances and sound will help?


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest822 on March 30, 2021, 12:52:32 pm

After trying to describe Daniel Jones' music to Lionel,I was,ruefully reminded of how hard it is to describe music in words. The only one who could ever really bring it off,for me,was Malcolm MacDonald. His books on the Havergal Brian symphonies being classics of their kind. Still,you can try! Rob Barnett's descriptions of the music of neglected works and obscure composers must have cost me,quite a few pennies,over the years.


I think Mendelssohn hit the nail on the head when describing how words are inadequate to describe music: “People usually complain that music is so ambiguous, and what they are supposed to think when they hear it is so unclear, while words are understood by everyone. But for me it is exactly the opposite...what the music I love expresses to me are thoughts not too indefinite for words, but rather too definite. Words seem to me so ambiguous, so vague, so easily misunderstood in comparison to genuine music, which fills the soul with a thousand things better than words.”

I guess he probably said it in German, in which case I don't know whose translation that is, but it makes the point, I think.


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on March 30, 2021, 01:19:14 pm
Daniel Jones has a craggy surface.

Charming! Comes of living with Mrs Jones, I suppose...

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2a/80/22/2a8022a2b9e0b180937d3d740fc7e4d2.jpg)

 ;D
Or,Craggy Island?! :-\ ;D


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest822 on March 30, 2021, 02:20:31 pm
Daniel Jones has a craggy surface.

Charming! Comes of living with Mrs Jones, I suppose...

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2a/80/22/2a8022a2b9e0b180937d3d740fc7e4d2.jpg)

 ;D
Or,Craggy Island?! :-\ ;D
Could be...

(https://i2-prod.examinerlive.co.uk/incoming/article17774510.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/1_Father-Ted.jpg)


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: cilgwyn on March 30, 2021, 03:37:03 pm
Could be...

(https://i2-prod.examinerlive.co.uk/incoming/article17774510.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/1_Father-Ted.jpg)

I can see a connection! You never know where a Daniel Jones symphony might take you,Lionel?!! ;D


Title: Re: Daniel Jones Symphonies forthcoming on Lyrita
Post by: guest822 on March 30, 2021, 03:48:55 pm
Could be...

(https://i2-prod.examinerlive.co.uk/incoming/article17774510.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/1_Father-Ted.jpg)

I can see a connection! You never know where a Daniel Jones symphony might take you,Lionel?!! ;D


 ;D

He's obviously a force to be reckoned with!