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Title: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Ian Moore on December 06, 2014, 05:27:11 pm
I published two videos of my piano music, "Les Codomas", to Youtube; one of them has a picture of Jazz musicians in black and white and other one has a picture of my original score. In just 48 hours, the video with the image of the my score has double the number of views than the other one which has been up for over a month. Why is that?


http://youtu.be/43AvF8Q-ozM


http://youtu.be/nd7lcgfvAlM


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Ian Moore on December 06, 2014, 05:29:40 pm
I did tell someone that I wouldn't post another video until someone else did but it has been a long time now so I don't think I am posting them too quickly or that anyone would mind.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Neil McGowan on December 06, 2014, 05:40:07 pm
What was your reason for choosing photographs of The Original Dixieland Jazz Band to illustrate this music?

I find having the score in front of me can be useful when listening, so I would choose that by default, if offered two versions.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Ian Moore on December 06, 2014, 09:33:55 pm
It is contemporary music but has a 'Jazzy' or 'African' feel to it.  I thought that the pictures of Jazz musicians would give it more of an appeal.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Neil McGowan on December 06, 2014, 11:36:28 pm
It is contemporary music but has a 'Jazzy' or 'African' feel to it.  I thought that the pictures of Jazz musicians would give it more of an appeal.

Yes, I see that.  But the ODJB players were all white ;)


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: autoharp on December 07, 2014, 01:04:14 am
It is contemporary music but has a 'Jazzy' or 'African' feel to it.  I thought that the pictures of Jazz musicians would give it more of an appeal.


:D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Neil McGowan on December 07, 2014, 12:03:11 pm
It is contemporary music but has a 'Jazzy' or 'African' feel to it.  I thought that the pictures of Jazz musicians would give it more of an appeal.

Perhaps you could have used a photograph of the actual performer of this music?


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: ahinton on December 07, 2014, 05:12:30 pm
It is contemporary music but has a 'Jazzy' or 'African' feel to it.  I thought that the pictures of Jazz musicians would give it more of an appeal.

Perhaps you could have used a photograph of the actual performer of this music?
...with the caption "Ian plays Ian", perhaps; I certainly failed to see the point of the illustration provided and I'm evidently not alone in that...


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Ian Moore on December 07, 2014, 07:24:01 pm
The picture was intended to draw people who like that music to a piece of contemporary music that was in-between classical and 'Jazz'.  What is more startling is that there are more people would prefer to watch the score than see images of people that represent the music.  I don't think the photos of Jazz people are particularly relevant but how would you know that if you didn't click on the video first. This is the point that I am trying to make. There is something about the photograph that turns people off - they simply find the picture of the score more appealing than the people of Jazz musicians. I just don't know what it is..and it should be assumed that it is race, either.  That may be too simple.  I would love to do a proper academic test to see what it is.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Ian Moore on December 07, 2014, 07:26:48 pm
My suspicions are that it is something to do with 'modern' versus 'old'.  The black and white pictures look 'old fashioned'.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Neil McGowan on December 07, 2014, 11:21:50 pm
My suspicions are that it is something to do with 'modern' versus 'old'.  The black and white pictures look 'old fashioned'.

It might also because they are not playing the piano ;)


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: guest2 on December 07, 2014, 11:39:37 pm
Actually in this case it is not the chocolates that are putting people off, it's the flags. In the world of today they are a symbol of evil, injustice and cruelty.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Ian Moore on December 08, 2014, 06:14:56 am
What do you mean by the phrase 'chocolates'?


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Ian Moore on December 08, 2014, 06:18:19 am
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It might also because they are not playing the piano.
I know you are joking but the thing is that they may not be aware that it is a solo piano piece unless they click it.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: ahinton on December 08, 2014, 09:44:20 am
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It might also because they are not playing the piano.
I know you are joking but the thing is that they may not be aware that it is a solo piano piece unless they click it.
It looks pretty likely, if not actually obvious, that it is a solo piano piece from the score, a part of which can be seen without clicking on the audio file.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Ian Moore on December 08, 2014, 08:19:30 pm
Do you mean that the audience know that they're getting piano music and prefer it. Conversely, for the other video, they believe that they are getting 'trad' Jazz music and they hate it?


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: ahinton on December 08, 2014, 09:25:07 pm
Do you mean that the audience know that they're getting piano music and prefer it. Conversely, for the other video, they believe that they are getting 'trad' Jazz music and they hate it?
On both counts, I am bound to confess to having less than no idea...


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: Ian Moore on December 10, 2014, 05:41:08 am
It is definitely something worth thinking about.  There must be studies somewhere that would deal with this matter.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: dyn on December 10, 2014, 08:04:32 am
I find having the score in front of me can be useful when listening, so I would choose that by default, if offered two versions.

Me too. Though I tend to prefer if the score 'scrolls' with the music rather than having only a single page presented, and if a video with score doesn't advance to the next portion of the score in time with the audio I may turn the video off.

(Youtube's sound quality is rarely good enough for me to prefer watching videos there—unless the recording is unavailable at higher bitrates I probably won't bother listening, same with mono recordings if I can find stereo remasterings)


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: guest224 on December 10, 2014, 09:21:50 am
Actually in this case it is not the chocolates that are putting people off, it's the flags. In the world of today they are a symbol of evil, injustice and cruelty.



"Chocolates"?  What exactly do you mean Gerard? Could you explain?


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: ahinton on December 10, 2014, 12:44:15 pm
Actually in this case it is not the chocolates that are putting people off, it's the flags. In the world of today they are a symbol of evil, injustice and cruelty.



"Chocolates"?  What exactly do you mean Gerard? Could you explain?
That question's already been asked by Ian Moore himself but answer has come there none; I have to confess that, carefully as I have looked, I remain unable to see any chocolates or indeed other confections in the photograph concerned, so I can only assume that gerard has far better eyesight than you or Ian or myself.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: autoharp on December 10, 2014, 01:30:09 pm
Actually in this case it is not the chocolates that are putting people off, it's the flags. In the world of today they are a symbol of evil, injustice and cruelty.



"Chocolates"?  What exactly do you mean Gerard? Could you explain?
That question's already been asked by Ian Moore himself but answer has come there none; I have to confess that, carefully as I have looked, I remain unable to see any chocolates or indeed other confections in the photograph concerned, so I can only assume that gerard has far better eyesight than you or Ian or myself.

I imagine that comrade Gerard is using the word "chocolate" in its old jazz slang meaning of "good-looking male of darker-than-white skin colour". A purely historical reference, you understand: at least, I do.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: ahinton on December 10, 2014, 01:55:37 pm
Actually in this case it is not the chocolates that are putting people off, it's the flags. In the world of today they are a symbol of evil, injustice and cruelty.



"Chocolates"?  What exactly do you mean Gerard? Could you explain?
That question's already been asked by Ian Moore himself but answer has come there none; I have to confess that, carefully as I have looked, I remain unable to see any chocolates or indeed other confections in the photograph concerned, so I can only assume that gerard has far better eyesight than you or Ian or myself.

I imagine that comrade Gerard is using the word "chocolate" in its old jazz slang meaning of "good-looking male of darker-than-white skin colour". A purely historical reference, you understand: at least, I do.
I had feared as much, as you may imagine. I still have no idea what the ensemble is doing there in the first place in the context of the piece and, since I neither fly flags nor care much for chocolate (other than on very rare occasions), I guess that I should move on, really.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: guest224 on December 11, 2014, 10:15:26 am
Actually in this case it is not the chocolates that are putting people off, it's the flags. In the world of today they are a symbol of evil, injustice and cruelty.



"Chocolates"?  What exactly do you mean Gerard? Could you explain?
That question's already been asked by Ian Moore himself but answer has come there none; I have to confess that, carefully as I have looked, I remain unable to see any chocolates or indeed other confections in the photograph concerned, so I can only assume that gerard has far better eyesight than you or Ian or myself.

I imagine that comrade Gerard is using the word "chocolate" in its old jazz slang meaning of "good-looking male of darker-than-white skin colour". A purely historical reference, you understand: at least, I do.
I had feared as much, as you may imagine. I still have no idea what the ensemble is doing there in the first place in the context of the piece and, since I neither fly flags nor care much for chocolate (other than on very rare occasions), I guess that I should move on, really.


Gerard, you need to address this. It is clear that people on here are very worried by what you meant, and if this is not addressed or clarified, we would feel tainted by association.


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: ahinton on December 11, 2014, 11:46:52 am
Actually in this case it is not the chocolates that are putting people off, it's the flags. In the world of today they are a symbol of evil, injustice and cruelty.



"Chocolates"?  What exactly do you mean Gerard? Could you explain?
That question's already been asked by Ian Moore himself but answer has come there none; I have to confess that, carefully as I have looked, I remain unable to see any chocolates or indeed other confections in the photograph concerned, so I can only assume that gerard has far better eyesight than you or Ian or myself.

I imagine that comrade Gerard is using the word "chocolate" in its old jazz slang meaning of "good-looking male of darker-than-white skin colour". A purely historical reference, you understand: at least, I do.
I had feared as much, as you may imagine. I still have no idea what the ensemble is doing there in the first place in the context of the piece and, since I neither fly flags nor care much for chocolate (other than on very rare occasions), I guess that I should move on, really.


Gerard, you need to address this. It is clear that people on here are very worried by what you meant, and if this is not addressed or clarified, we would feel tainted by association.
Since he's not done so in almost four days, I wouldn't hold your breath...


Title: Re: You may find this interesting...
Post by: guest224 on December 11, 2014, 12:19:56 pm
Actually in this case it is not the chocolates that are putting people off, it's the flags. In the world of today they are a symbol of evil, injustice and cruelty.



"Chocolates"?  What exactly do you mean Gerard? Could you explain?
That question's already been asked by Ian Moore himself but answer has come there none; I have to confess that, carefully as I have looked, I remain unable to see any chocolates or indeed other confections in the photograph concerned, so I can only assume that gerard has far better eyesight than you or Ian or myself.

I imagine that comrade Gerard is using the word "chocolate" in its old jazz slang meaning of "good-looking male of darker-than-white skin colour". A purely historical reference, you understand: at least, I do.
I had feared as much, as you may imagine. I still have no idea what the ensemble is doing there in the first place in the context of the piece and, since I neither fly flags nor care much for chocolate (other than on very rare occasions), I guess that I should move on, really.


Gerard, you need to address this. It is clear that people on here are very worried by what you meant, and if this is not addressed or clarified, we would feel tainted by association.
Since he's not done so in almost four days, I wouldn't hold your breath...


I think you are right sadly.  Will report to moderator.  We can't afford for this wonderful forum, and its members, to risk possible association with offensive, as opposed to controversial, views. He's had an opportunity to clarify and hasn't done so.