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Title: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on December 23, 2012, 02:10:51 am
For my own edification I tried to run through in my mind what CPO is engaged on and what its future plans may be.

The release of the Weingartner Symphony No.7 will have brought that composer's symphonic output to a conclusion. However of other Austrian composers cpo has still to release the Emil von Reznicek Symphonies Nos. 3 and 4 or any of the Johann Nepomuk David symphonies, some of which at least have been recorded by them.

The Panufnik Sinfonia di Sfere(No.6) and Sinfonia della Speranza(No.9) are still to come from a series which has, gratifyingly, been released over a relatively short period.

Edvin Kallstenius's five symphonies are promised and we must hope that the company intend to add the Rudolph Simonsen Nos. 3 and 4 to their earlier release of the quite excellent Nos. 1 and 2. Cpo is also promising a Lars-Erik Larsson set, if I recall.

All four van Gilse symphonies are now available but there are a lot of Julius Rontgen symphonies to come together with the Henk Badings Nos. 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 11, 13 and 15. The Hendrik Andriessen No.1 has recently been released so we may expect in time the other three symphonies. There was an indication that cpo intended to record the Willem Pijper three symphonies but no further news about this has reached my ears.


(Meanwhile, I presume that BIS will continue recording the Kalevi Aho symphonies, including Nos. 5 and 6, and its sluggish Allan Pettersson series and that we can, hopefully count on a complete set of the Weinberg symphonies from Chandos and Naxos. Dacapo is going to give us the complete Riisager symphonies but I doubt whether we can expect a Paul von Klenau continuation :(
The Roy Harris/Naxos series we may have to forget about ::) Naxos MAY be continuing its Havergal Brian cycle...but who knows ::) There is a new Naxos/Villa-Lobos cycle just beginning. The forthcoming Alba release of the Merikanto No. 2 will give us all his symphonies.)

So.....who am I missing ???


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Greg K on December 23, 2012, 02:27:08 am
Nice summary.  Was the Natanael Berg cycle ever completed?  I don't think so.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on December 23, 2012, 02:51:05 am
Quite correct.

The Natanael Berg Symphonies Nos. 4 and 5 are still to come.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: kyjo on December 23, 2012, 02:59:46 am
Berg's 4th is on Sterling and Phono Suecia CDs and his 5th is in our downloads :)

How about Bruno Walter's second symphony? Cpo recorded his first, which although rather clumsy and murky at times, is a fascinating, sometimes powerful piece :)

Then there's Gunter Raphael, whose wonderful Symphonies 2-5 Cpo has recorded. They have not yet done his first nor the four unnumbered symphonies.

I also truly hope Cpo will record Simonsen's Symphonies 3 and 4! The first and second are marvelous pieces :)

A shame we shall probably not see any further Klenau symphonies from Dacapo :(

I probably wouldn't count on Bis recording Aho's fifth and sixth symphonies, taking a glance at their disappointing release schedule over the past months :(


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on December 23, 2012, 03:10:41 am
Bruno Walter and Gunter Raphael.........indeed!

I don't know for sure about von Klenau but there has been nothing further from Dacapo for some time now :(


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: kyjo on December 23, 2012, 03:20:11 am
Also Georg Schumann. Cpo recently recorded his Symphony in B minor (the second of three), but there still remains an early Symphony in A major (1885) and a later Symphony in F minor (1905).


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: kyjo on December 23, 2012, 03:45:25 am
Regarding Bis' Brazilian symphonies recordings with John Neschling (sorry if this is off-topic :-[):

-They have recorded only the Sinfonia tropical of Francisco Mignone. There still remains the Sinfonia do trabalho (available for dowload here) and the Sinfonia transamazonica.
-They have recorded all but the final seventh symphony of Camargo Guarnieri.
-They have recorded only the fourth and ninth symphonies of Claudio Santoro out of fourteen total. The fifth, though, is available as an mp3 download from Amazon on the Tratore label.

Neschling is such a wonderful, enthusiastic conductor of Brazilian music :). It's a shame we haven't seen him appear on disc for quite a while now :(


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: erato on December 23, 2012, 08:25:05 am

A shame we shall probably not see any further Klenau symphonies from Dacapo :(

Any particular reason for that, and what's missing?


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Holger on December 23, 2012, 10:28:51 am
Several comments:

1) In case of Günter Raphael, I should point out two issues: first, we have the wonderful Querstand series dedicated to selected pieces from his output. All five discs are now available via jpc, and I just got Volume 4 of it which contains a number of orchestral works, including the Sinfonia breve Op. 67. I still haven't given it a total listen because of a lack of time, but my first impressions are very positive, and anybody interested in Raphael's symphonies should really buy this as I think.

The other thing is that I have my doubts about whether we can expect recordings of all remaining Raphael symphonies at all, at least in case of those which weren't published (and this holds for any of them but the Sinfonia breve) I guess this will be difficult since I read that Raphael actually forbade the publication of any of his pieces which weren't printed during his lifetime, so it seems that most of his unnumbered symphonies are in manuscript only and might stay so forever.

2) Though I do not understand all the decisions BIS take myself, I do not think we can blame them for their Aho policies in particular: note that alone in 2012, no less than three new discs with music by Aho have come out! That is definitely not a matter of course in my view. Among them is a recording of his Chamber Symphonies Nos. 1–3 which I got a week ago and found really exciting.

My assumption is that regarding his Symphonies Nos. 5&6, the reasons why they haven't been recorded so far may also be found it what Aho himself said about them. I have to recall this from memory but as far as I remember, he said that both of these symphonies are not only very complicated pieces with respect to the music itself but also with respect to the technical demands on the orchestra. He said that he finally reached an extreme position here (and especially in his Sixth) which prevented him from composing further symphonies for a couple of years, until he tried out a totally different approach in his Seventh.

So, while I cannot understand why BIS do not intend to do a Rosenberg cycle, for instance, I do also think they are doing a great job in case of Aho, not least in the past year.

Meanwhile, I am pretty sure we can be optimist in case of Weinberg. Naxos already released two discs of their series so far, and Chandos seem to continue their work in a slow but constant pace (= about one disc per year). I would also hope for a continuation of CPO's Henk Badings symphonies cycle. In case of Havergal Brian, it seems that at least the work is split over several companies, so that in the end we might have the whole cycle on CD even if not all from one label.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on December 23, 2012, 01:30:58 pm
Also Georg Schumann. Cpo recently recorded his Symphony in B minor (the second of three), but there still remains an early Symphony in A major (1885) and a later Symphony in F minor (1905).

Noted :)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on December 23, 2012, 01:31:58 pm
Regarding Bis' Brazilian symphonies recordings with John Neschling (sorry if this is off-topic :-[):

-They have recorded only the Sinfonia tropical of Francisco Mignone. There still remains the Sinfonia do trabalho (available for dowload here) and the Sinfonia transamazonica.
-They have recorded all but the final seventh symphony of Camargo Guarnieri.
-They have recorded only the fourth and ninth symphonies of Claudio Santoro out of fourteen total. The fifth, though, is available as an mp3 download from Amazon on the Tratore label.

Neschling is such a wonderful, enthusiastic conductor of Brazilian music :). It's a shame we haven't seen him appear on disc for quite a while now :(

Neschling has ceded the Sao Paulo Symphony Orchestra to Marin Alsop.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on December 23, 2012, 01:40:30 pm

A shame we shall probably not see any further Klenau symphonies from Dacapo :(

Any particular reason for that, and what's missing?

I do not KNOW that Dacapo does not intend to record more von Klenau but it is some years now since we got his First, Fifth and Seventh Symphonies. I would love to hear the Second, the choral Third, the "Dante-Symphonie"(No.4), the "Nordische Symphonie"(No.6) and the more recently discovered Nos. 8 and the choral No.9.

It does not, I suspect, help that von Klenau seems to have identified himself more latterly as a Dane living and working in Germany in the 1930s. As sn active proponent of the music of composers like Ravel, Scriabin, Delius, Debussy, Schoenberg, Berg etc. his music is, at least, interesting, and at best much more than that.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on December 23, 2012, 02:03:32 pm
In response to Holger's very informative post-

(a) Gunter Raphael. I had no idea that Querstand had a Raphael series on disc ::) I shall certainly buy Volume 4 as soon as possible and have revised my catalogue information accordingly :) What you say about the other symphonies is sad but we may simply have to accept that.

(b) Kalvei Aho. I have huge respect and admiration for the commitment of BIS to Aho's music. Aho is a very fine composer indeed; one of the finest modern symphonists in fact. I have bought all the BIS releases. I was puzzled by the omission of Symphonies Nos. 5 and 6. I know that Robert von Bahr intended to record at least one of them (No.6, I suspect; Ondine have a recording of No.5 on cd) but abandoned the recording when he found that the conductor and orchestra could not handle the piece.

(c) Hilding Rosenberg. Robert von Bahr doesn't like Rosenberg's music. End of story.

(d) BIS in general. I used to buy a lot of BIS releases and still do buy their Aho releases :) but I note that the company is now issuing a lot of music which might be described as very "mainstream classical". I suspect that this may be because, like other record companies, they need sales to stay afloat :(


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on December 23, 2012, 02:21:10 pm
So....to recapitulate ;D

CPO's current 20th century orchestral projects are (or should be) to complete their

1. Natanael Berg series with Symphonies Nos. 4 and 5
2. Andrzej Panufnik series with Nos. 6 and 9
3. Emil von Reznicek series with Nos. 3 and 4
4. Hendrk Andriessen series with Nos. 2, 3 and 4
5. Henk Badings series with Nos. 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 11, 13 and 15
6. Julius Rontgen series with a large number of symphonies ;D
7. Rudolph Simonsen series with Nos. 3 and 4.

8. Record Bruno Walter's No.2
9. Record the other two Georg Schumann symphonies

and...to start their

1. Edvin Kallstenius series
2. Johann Nepomuk David series
3. Lars-Erik Larsson series
4. Willem Pijper series


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: kyjo on December 23, 2012, 08:02:40 pm
The other thing is that I have my doubts about whether we can expect recordings of all remaining Raphael symphonies at all, at least in case of those which weren't published (and this holds for any of them but the Sinfonia breve) I guess this will be difficult since I read that Raphael actually forbade the publication of any of his pieces which weren't printed during his lifetime, so it seems that most of his unnumbered symphonies are in manuscript only and might stay so forever.

Thanks for that valuable, if depressing, piece of information, Holger. That's a real shame, as I really enjoyed his second through fifth symphonies!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: kyjo on December 23, 2012, 08:03:26 pm
Neschling has ceded the Sao Paulo Symphony Orchestra to Marin Alsop.

That's rather unfortunate news! Neschling is such a better conductor than Alsop and I seriously doubt that Alsop will record any Brazilian music :( :(

I was going to say that Cpo had not recorded August Enna's first symphony when I realized it is lost :(

What about Gerhard Schjelderup's Little Symphony? Cpo recorded his second (a wonderful late-romantic piece) and the first was lost but reconstructed as the aforementioned Little Symphony.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: kyjo on December 23, 2012, 08:33:27 pm
Going back a bit earlier in time to the early Romantic era, Cpo recorded the second, fourth, fifth, and seventh symphonies of the very fine Czech composer Johan Wenzel Kalliwoda (1801-1868). They have not yet recorded his first, third (on MD&G), or sixth (on Orfeo and Centaur) symphonies.

Also another Czech, Erwin Schulhoff. Cpo recorded his first, second and third symphonies but not the fourth, fifth, sixth, the Landschaften Symphony or the Symphonia Germania. The fourth and sixth have been recorded on a now very hard-to-find Supraphon CD, the fifth has been recorded on Capriccio, Koch Schwann, and Supraphon, the Landschaften has been recorded on Orfeo and the Germanica has been recorded on Channel Classics. Still, it would be very nice to see Cpo complete Schulhoff's symphonic cycle.

Cpo made a rare voyage onto American soil with their release of Gordon Sherwood's (b. 1929) Symphony no. 1, Sinfonietta and PC. It is enjoyable, tonal music in the Gershwin/Copland/Barber tradition but is nothing earth-shattering. He also wrote a Symphony no. 2 Classical Symphonie and a Blues Symphony for six saxophones and orchestra.

Cpo recorded all of the five numbered symphonies of the wonderful Turkish composer Ahmed Adnan Saygun. However, there still remains an unnumbered early Symphony from 1926 which I'd really like to hear.

Although way out of my comfort zone, the first, second, fourth, and seventh symphonies of Gloria Coates were recorded by Cpo out of fifteen total as well as a Sinfonietta and a Sinfonia Brevis.

 :)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: kyjo on December 23, 2012, 08:46:47 pm
Oh, how could I forget about Felix Woyrsch! Cpo recently recorded his second symphony, but there still remains the first, third through sixth, and an early Study Symphony for them to record. The first was recorded by MD&G, but that disc has now been long out of print.

Cpo recorded the first symphony of the very fine Israeli composer Paul Ben-Haim, but not his second (it has been recorded by Stradivari Classics).

Cpo recorded the second symphony of the late-romantic Danish composer Ludolf Nielsen, but not the first and third. Fortunately, these two pieces (the third is a masterpiece IMO) have been recorded by Dacapo.

They recorded the third symphony of the German romantic August Klughardt, but not the first (recorded by Sterling), second, fourth, fifth, and the withdrawn Waldleben Symphony.

They have recorded the Sinfonia breve of German late-romantic Paul Graener, but not the Symphony in D minor Schmied Scherz, the Sinfonietta for strings and harp, or the Weiner-Symphonie (recorded by Sterling). The disc containing the Sinfonia breve is titled Paul Graener: Orchestral Works, Volume 1, so we can hope for more ;D

 :)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on December 23, 2012, 09:34:13 pm
You are-of course-quite correct :)

Since the Schulhoff Symphony Nos. 1-3 were recorded almost 20 years ago now I think we may conclude that cpo have actually lost interest......but you never know ;D
The same, possibly, applies to the Ludolf Nielsen.

The Felix Woyrsch and the Paul Graener are more realistic propositions :)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: kyjo on December 23, 2012, 10:07:26 pm
You are correct, Colin! It isn't really that disappointing if Cpo has lost interest in Schulhoff and Nielsen because Schulhoff's later symphonies have all been recorded (and are not very inspired works, I might add) and Nielsen's other two symphonies have already been recorded in excellent performances by Dacapo :)

Cpo is planning to release Volume 4 in their series of the orchestral works of the French romantic Louis Theodore Gouvy (1819-1898) which will include his Symphony no. 4, Symphonie breve, and Fantasie Symphonique: http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/Louis-Theodore-Gouvy-1819-1898-Symphonien-Vol-4/hnum/4101963

...so that leaves only his Symphony no. 7 and the Sinfonietta, op. 80 unrecorded :)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: erato on December 24, 2012, 02:49:15 pm


Meanwhile, I am pretty sure we can be optimist in case of Weinberg. Naxos already released two discs of their series so far, and Chandos seem to continue their work in a slow but constant pace (= about one disc per year).
No 8 is secheduled for Naxos release on the 14th February with Wit and polish forces.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Holger on December 24, 2012, 03:41:19 pm


Meanwhile, I am pretty sure we can be optimist in case of Weinberg. Naxos already released two discs of their series so far, and Chandos seem to continue their work in a slow but constant pace (= about one disc per year).
No 8 is secheduled for Naxos release on the 14th February with Wit and polish forces.

Great news, especially since this is a symphony which wasn't issued commercially before (though I have a broadcast recording of it)! A disc I will buy at once when it's available.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Elroel on December 24, 2012, 04:00:44 pm
Yes!  And so will I!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: kyjo on December 24, 2012, 04:26:54 pm
Indeed, that is great news! Thanks, erato :)

Weinberg would be proud :)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: gpdlt2000 on April 06, 2014, 01:40:02 pm
Forthcomong Larsson on cpo


Lars-Erik Larsson (1908-1986)
Orchestral Works Vol. 1:
Symphony No. 1 in D op. 2;
Four Vignettes to Shakespeare’s
The Winter’s Tale;
Music for Orchestra op. 40;
Pastoral for small orchestra;
Lyric Fantasy for small orchestra op. 54
Helsingborg Symphony Orchestra
Andrew Manze
cpo 777 671-2; UPC Code: 761203767120

A Master of Classical Modernism
Rangström, Wirén, Pettersson, Atterberg, Peterson-Berger: these names
represent high points in Swedish music history and have found a
discographic home on cpo. Today I would like to add another important name
to this Swedish Olympus of composers: Lars-Erik Larsson. Along with Dag
Wirén, Larsson currently continues to number among the most popular
composers of classical modernism in Sweden. Their popularity of course is
explained in part by the fact that both continued to abide by the tradition
of tonality without being epigonic reactionaries. Andrew Manze, to whom cpo
owes a wonderfully inspired edition of the Brahms symphonies, is now
presenting a new recording with Larsson’s most important symphonic works as
performed by his very own Helsingborg Orchestra. One of Larsson’s three
symphonies forms the focus of each of the three CDs. And now, to begin, the
first symphony. Brimming with natural freshness and youthful new
beginnings, it reflects Larsson’s enthusiasm for the first two symphonies
of Sibelius and in melodic respects, especially in its last two movements,
is also guided by Carl Nielsen. Even in this early work Larsson displays
mastery commanding respect.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: dhibbard on April 06, 2014, 03:38:58 pm
I too have not been impressed lately with BIS serving of new releases... the standard fare... Mozart, Beethoven, etc...


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on April 06, 2014, 05:24:40 pm
Cpo seem to be one of the few labels offering up any surprises these days! I'm not particularly 'into' Panufnik,but the recent full page ad for Panufnik in IRR Magazine (March edition,page 13) reminded me of the 'good old days'! A real blast from the past and all those 'pretty' Panufnik cds were very tempting indeed! Great stuff!! :)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on April 06, 2014, 09:33:53 pm
The Lars-Erik Larsson symphonies are not new to cd. BIS issued recordings in the early days of the company's existence-indeed with the same Helsingborg Symphony Orchestra.
It will be good however to get several of Larsson's other orchestral music onto disc..

As far as Swedish symphonists's complete cycles are concerned the current situation regarding relatively modern recordings is:

Hugo Alfven:    BIS and Naxos
Kurt Atterberg: CPO and Chandos (in progress)
Natanael Berg: CPO (in progress)
Karl-Birger Blomdahl: BIS
Edvin Kallstenius:     CPO (planned)
Lars-Erik Larsson: BIS and CPO (commencing)
Gosta Nystroem: BIS
Wilhelm Peterson-Berger: CPO
Allan Pettersson: CPO and BIS (in progress)
Ture Rangstrom: CPO
Dag Wiren: CPO

Missing, of course, from this list are Hilding Rosenberg, John Fernstrom, Erland von Koch and Hans Eklund.....who all merit complete symphonic cycles.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: shamus on April 07, 2014, 09:22:15 pm
Definitely John Fernstrom! I corresponded with his son about the dearth of recordings available and he, also would love to see something big for his father, but can't do it himself. If you don't know him, maybe try YouTube. Jim


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: chill319 on April 07, 2014, 11:31:33 pm
I _do_ hope they will record Larsson's symphony 3. That is the one that most needs a recording from a larger, or stronger, ensemble.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Gauk on April 12, 2014, 11:51:49 pm
The Larsson entr'actes for A Winter's Tale are gems - really, really, "must hear".


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on April 13, 2014, 03:50:57 pm
I agree! It's just finding the spare cash! Mind you,if you really love a composer!! ;D
In a perfect world there would be multiple versions of Bantock's pagan symphony or,let me see,if you like his music,Brian's third. The Gothic is a bit too OTT for me,but I find that one fascinating! The Hyperion third is boxy and dull. The Pope recording,in our archive,brings this wildly eccentric score to life. Yet,the Hyperion recording is the one most people will hear! As to the Marco Polo No 2? Words fail me! The Mackerras recording in our archive shows how this uneven,but in my opinion absorbing score,should be done. However,the Marco Polo/Naxos reissue is the one most people will hear!!
And then there is Louis Glass? He got the Plovdiv! They sound like an old wind up gramophone cranking up and the sound is abysmal. I don't know why they even bothered? I quite like No's 3 & 5 and would like to hear a really good performance in state of the art sound. No 4 sounds like Glass bit off a bit more than he could chew,but it's sheer ambition intrigues me and until I can hear a decent performance I'm going to give Louis Glass the benefit of the doubt!
Tournemire is on a different level of inspiration imho,and I would love to hear other recordings of No's 3,5,6 & 8;let alone a decent recording of No 4,which has some truly magical orchestration. Still,at least he didn't get the Plovdiv!!!
Meanwhile,in Denmark,Langgaard seems to have benefited from being seriously wierd! Would the Danish be doing so much for him if he had been a regular guy? I can't help wondering?! Or maybe,they feel a bit guilty because underneath all the wierdness and self destructive bitterness,Langgaard was a talented composer and an intelligent human being with feelings. All those years of isolation must been a living hell? I shudder to think what he went through.......even if he did bring some of it on himself! What would he have thought,in this day and age,when he could pick up and play more than one recording of his symphonies on his cd player,or Antikrist on his dvd player? And Carl Nielsen still 'up there' as Denmark's greatest composer!! :( ;D

Meanwhile Bantock's music (albeit,not all of it) is available in state of the art recordings by one of our greatest conductors on,arguably,Britains leading classical small label!
But wait a minute.........judging by allot of posts I have seen on various forums over the years,allot of people prefer the earlier interpretations of Bryden Thomson,not to mention most,if not all,the earlier Lyrita recordings.....and let's not forget the classic Barbirolli third,let alone the highly rated,by some,and sadly unavailable recording by Edward Downes!!
According to the Thomson camp,Handley's recordings of Bax are too hard driven. Thomson allows his music to breathe,allowing us to savour the atmosphere and colour of Bax's rich,brazenly romantic orchestration in a way that Handley doesn't! I'm with the Thomson camp on this one myself;but thinking about this I can't help contemplating an all too obvious thought that has popped up in my own head? If I don't like Handley's Bax how do I know I really like his Bantock?!! Maybe Handley's Bantock is too hard driven?! Unfortunately,unlike Bax,I don't really have any real comparisons. On the other hand,unlike Tournemire or Glass,I feel reasonably sure that,even if I have some reservations about this or that,I am,without doubt,in the hands of a truly first class conductor,with a roster of highly praised and respected recordings. Even if I don't like the way he conducts some of my favourite Bax symphonies I don't feel he's done anything wrong;it's just his interpretation of these scores. In fact,I can fully understand what Handley is trying to do. The problem for me is that,to me,Bax is a wallow,he isn't Sibelius. I don't need someone to convince me that Bax is a major symphonist. I don't need someone to drive me relentlessly forward. To me Bax is a dreamer,a brazen romantic who loved legends and wild landscapes and even if he takes his time occasionally,there is an inexorable flow and logic there somewhere which grabs hold of me and carries me to the finish. I don't need a Vernon Handley to grab hold of my metaphorical hand and drag me there!!

Anyway,I'm getting out of my depth here. I'm a listener not a musician,after all! But look at the symphonies of Malcolm Arnold. Who would have thought,back in the 1980s that there would be more than one cycle to choose from! Have we gained anything from more than one interpretation of these not exactly core repertoire symphonies? Well,judging by some of the wildly differing approaches to just No's 4 & 5, I think so! Yes,Expi does have a point here! And yes.........I would like another Beethoven symphony cycle too..........if I can find the dough!!! ::) ;D


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Jolly Roger on April 14, 2014, 03:20:12 am
I agree! It's just finding the spare cash! Mind you,if you really love a composer!! ;D
In a perfect world there would be multiple versions of Bantock's pagan symphony or,let me see,if you like his music,Brian's third. The Gothic is a bit too OTT for me,but I find that one fascinating! The Hyperion third is boxy and dull. The Pope recording,in our archive,brings this wildly eccentric score to life. Yet,the Hyperion recording is the one most people will hear! As to the Marco Polo No 2? Words fail me! The Mackerras recording in our archive shows how this uneven,but in my opinion absorbing score,should be done. However,the Marco Polo/Naxos reissue is the one most people will hear!!
And then there is Louis Glass? He got the Plovdiv! They sound like an old wind up gramophone cranking up and the sound is abysmal. I don't know why they even bothered? I quite like No's 3 & 5 and would like to hear a really good performance in state of the art sound. No 4 sounds like Glass bit off a bit more than he could chew,but it's sheer ambition intrigues me and until I can hear a decent performance I'm going to give Louis Glass the benefit of the doubt!
Tournemire is on a different level of inspiration imho,and I would love to hear other recordings of No's 3,5,6 & 8;let alone a decent recording of No 4,which has some truly magical orchestration. Still,at least he didn't get the Plovdiv!!!
Meanwhile,in Denmark,Langgaard seems to have benefited from being seriously wierd! Would the Danish be doing so much for him if he had been a regular guy? I can't help wondering?! Or maybe,they feel a bit guilty because underneath all the wierdness and self destructive bitterness,Langgaard was a talented composer and an intelligent human being with feelings. All those years of isolation must been a living hell? I shudder to think what he went through.......even if he did bring some of it on himself! What would he have thought,in this day and age,when he could pick up and play more than one recording of his symphonies on his cd player,or Antikrist on his dvd player? And Carl Nielsen still 'up there' as Denmark's greatest composer!! :( ;D

Meanwhile Bantock's music (albeit,not all of it) is available in state of the art recordings by one of our greatest conductors on,arguably,Britains leading classical small label!
But wait a minute.........judging by allot of posts I have seen on various forums over the years,allot of people prefer the earlier interpretations of Bryden Thomson,not to mention most,if not all,the earlier Lyrita recordings.....and let's not forget the classic Barbirolli third,let alone the highly rated,by some,and sadly unavailable recording by Edward Downes!!
According to the Thomson camp,Handley's recordings of Bax are too hard driven. Thomson allows his music to breathe,allowing us to savour the atmosphere and colour of Bax's rich,brazenly romantic orchestration in a way that Handley doesn't! I'm with the Thomson camp on this one myself;but thinking about this I can't help contemplating an all too obvious thought that has popped up in my own head? If I don't like Handley's Bax how do I know I really like his Bantock?!! Maybe Handley's Bantock is too hard driven?! Unfortunately,unlike Bax,I don't really have any real comparisons. On the other hand,unlike Tournemire or Glass,I feel reasonably sure that,even if I have some reservations about this or that,I am,without doubt,in the hands of a truly first class conductor,with a roster of highly praised and respected recordings. Even if I don't like the way he conducts some of my favourite Bax symphonies I don't feel he's done anything wrong;it's just his interpretation of these scores. In fact,I can fully understand what Handley is trying to do. The problem for me is that,to me,Bax is a wallow,he isn't Sibelius. I don't need someone to convince me that Bax is a major symphonist. I don't need someone to drive me relentlessly forward. To me Bax is a dreamer,a brazen romantic who loved legends and wild landscapes and even if he takes his time occasionally,there is an inexorable flow and logic there somewhere which grabs hold of me and carries me to the finish. I don't need a Vernon Handley to grab hold of my metaphorical hand and drag me there!!

Anyway,I'm getting out of my depth here. I'm a listener not a musician,after all! But look at the symphonies of Malcolm Arnold. Who would have thought,back in the 1980s that there would be more than one cycle to choose from! Have we gained anything from more than one interpretation of these not exactly core repertoire symphonies? Well,judging by some of the wildly differing approaches to just No's 4 & 5, I think so! Yes,Expi does have a point here! And yes.........I would like another Beethoven symphony cycle too..........if I can find the dough!!! ::) ;D

I too, am not wealthy and generally I have waited for Naxos and other budget labels to produce some affordable symphonic cycles. Patience has paid great dividends for so many composers including Sibelius,Shostakovich, Prokofiev,Malipiero, Moyzes, Alwyn, Arnold, Bax and so many others. (I was waiting for Miaskovsky but  devoured the Svetlanov-Warner cycle as soon as it was available because it was worth the extra money and Mia is my favorite composer.
I also bought the Previn cycle for Vaughan Williams and found some of the symphonies a bit bland and uninspired in execution, but I am more demanding of nuance and timbre with VWms, also a favorite. So I bought others.
As far as quality, I critics say there are better versions available for Sibelius,Prokofiev,Shostakovitch,Bruckner,Bax,Arnold and others, but I would rather support the budget, as I welcome their continued efforts to make this fine music affordable to the now endangered US middle class.
The music is quite servicable and in the case of Alwyn, Bax and Arnold, I am not at all convinced there are any better renderings of the symphonies, and there are no parallels to many of the Marco Polo, eg..Lyatoshinsky, Moyzes and Malipiero (unjustly savaged by malevolent critics). And of course there are the free downloadables for symphony share, unsung composers, concert archives and of course A&M. And I found the most compelling version of Shostakovitch no 10 on utube (of all places) which I recorded live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKXQzs6Y5BY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZzFruQCofM&list=RDXKXQzs6Y5BY

so you never know for sure without trying.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on April 14, 2014, 05:47:18 am
I am presuming that these last two posts were intended for the "Some new stuff to come" thread.........since cilgwyn's opening remarks about Bantock follow on naturally from the discussion about that composer there (and because I know of no plans from CPO to record any Bantock ;D).


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on April 14, 2014, 02:51:13 pm
My apologies. I might see if I can move it  later (it took so long to type! :(). The only 'forthcoming' composer release along those lines from Cpo,as far as I know,is the Josef Holbrooke Volume 2,which was supposed to come out a long,long time ago,but keeps getting delayed and,it has to be said,the two or three members of the unofficial Holbrooke society ;D are seriously beginning to wonder if it will ever happen?!! :( I know the symphony has been dropped because it sounded too much like.......Havergal Brian!!!!!!! ??? :o And I seem to have read that the conductor had some kind of accident! A broken arm,or something? Which could be a problem;unless he can use his other arm,or maybe conduct with his foot?!! It's a cd after all,so we wouldn't be able to see him making a fool of himself!! ;D
I am wondering if this is going to stay in the can,along with the Dopper No 1?!!!

Sometimes I feel waiting for a Cpo release is like watching a Pterodactyl hatching an egg!! ::)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on April 14, 2014, 03:09:12 pm
Although I must admit to now being (officially at least) elderly I cannot say that I have ever had the experience of watching a pterodactyl hatching an egg ;D


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on June 25, 2016, 10:01:21 am
Well, the Reznicek project seems to carry on with this release:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/emil-nikolaus-von-reznicek-violinkonzert-nr-2/hnum/7136658


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Grandenorm on February 21, 2017, 01:48:10 pm
The Roentgen cycle continues: https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/julius-roentgen-symphonien-vol-2/hnum/2727217 (https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/julius-roentgen-symphonien-vol-2/hnum/2727217)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Albion on February 21, 2017, 02:17:07 pm
I sincerely hope that Josef Holbrooke can be classed as an "ongoing project"! With two excellent discs so far and Symphony No.3, Ships/ Variations on The Girl I Left Behind Me/ The Birds of Rhiannon up for release next. The goal would now be to obtain first-class recordings of Queen Mab, The Bells, Byron and Apollo and the Seaman...

 ::)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on February 21, 2017, 02:42:26 pm
Yes,please! :) And I would like another volume in the Cpo Louis Glass series. The first and only recording (Sept 1-4,2009,released 2014) so far does have "Complete Symphonies Vol 1" printed on the back,after all. This performance and the recording quality itself,was a vast improvement on the Plovdiv release. I quite liked the third in that performance;but it comes across as a delightful piece in the Cpo recording.Not a masterpiece (but see Albion's post about Knicker elastic! ;D) but when I listen it provides pleasure. It also has an interesting "fill-up" in the near half hour Summer Life (Sommerliv) Suite for Orchestra,which is arguably even better. Of the other symphonies Cpo obviously need to record the Fifth;but while I was unsure about the musical virtues of the others (albeit the Plovdiv performances were so dire,I decided to defer judgement) I did find some of them sufficiently interesting to want to hear them in really good performances and with sound quality you would expect in this day and age (or even from the best studios in the late fifties!!!). That cramped,boxy sound was awful! With symphonies like these you need lush strings and gloriously romantic horns and the sound quality to go with it. Fortunately,the Staatsorchester Rheinische Philharmonie under Daniel Raiskin are well up to Cpo's usual fine standards. More please!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: dhibbard on February 21, 2017, 06:23:21 pm

A shame we shall probably not see any further Klenau symphonies from Dacapo :(

Any particular reason for that, and what's missing?

I do not KNOW that Dacapo does not intend to record more von Klenau but it is some years now since we got his First, Fifth and Seventh Symphonies. I would love to hear the Second, the choral Third, the "Dante-Symphonie"(No.4), the "Nordische Symphonie"(No.6) and the more recently discovered Nos. 8 and the choral No.9.     I just posted the sym no 9.   Yes I hope there will be more of Klenau recorded, now that new manuscripts have been discovered.

It does not, I suspect, help that von Klenau seems to have identified himself more latterly as a Dane living and working in Germany in the 1930s. As sn active proponent of the music of composers like Ravel, Scriabin, Delius, Debussy, Schoenberg, Berg etc. his music is, at least, interesting, and at best much more than that.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on March 04, 2017, 09:30:13 am
I don't know if this is an 'ongoing' project but this is a second release https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/paul-ben-haim-symphonie-nr-2/hnum/4900253 out end of march (2017).
Symphony no.1 was released many years ago on the same label.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: calyptorhynchus on March 04, 2017, 08:27:24 pm
 Good news about the Ben Haim S2, I think it is much better than S1, and up to now the only recording has had the coughing in the slow movement followed by "cover your mouth!".

 :o


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Christo on March 05, 2017, 07:50:43 am
Good news about the Ben Haim S2, I think it is much better than S1, and up to now the only recording has had the coughing in the slow movement followed by "cover your mouth!".

 :o

 ;D  There used to be another recording, released somewhere in the 1980s, by Kenneth Alwyn conducting the RPhO - but it's long gone and I never heard it. Or perhaps I heard it, because I privately recorded a performance at the radio around 1980 and that's how I came to know the piece.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/317QriOs-tL.jpg)
Yes, am sure now that I hired and played the LP too:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91QURPaboqL._SX355_.jpg)
Very happy to see a new recording of this really fine symphony! One of the most impressive from the 1940s IMHO.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on March 18, 2017, 05:59:33 pm
Last volume in a series of 4 announced for the end of april https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/hendrik-andriessen-symphonien-vol-4/hnum/3126644
At last 1: https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/siegmund-von-hausegger-aufklaenge/hnum/3097605
At last 2: https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/hans-pfitzner-die-rose-vom-liebesgarten/hnum/3067331


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on March 27, 2017, 10:35:08 am
And some releases for late May 2017:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/felix-nowowiejski-quo-vadis/hnum/6096050
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/eduard-kuenneke-klavierkonzert-nr-1/hnum/8455684
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/leo-fall-bruederlein-fein/hnum/4111659


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on April 30, 2017, 11:07:32 pm
This thread was begun in December 2012. Over the intervening four and a half years CPO have made some progress with the projects they had in hand or had announced back then.  The recent release of the Hendrik Andriessen Symphony No.4 will complete their survey of that Dutch composer's symphonies.

But as is its custom the company moves at a very "gradual" pace through its backlog of recordings.

In alphabetical order:

Eight of the fifteen symphonies by Henk Badings (Netherlands, 1907-87) have been released: Nos. 2, 7 and 12 were recorded in November 2006 by the Janacek Philharmonic Orchestra, Ostrava under David Porcelijn and released two years later in 2008; Nos. 3, 10 and 14 were recorded by the same forces in August 2008 and again released two years later in 2010. Then, when I certainly had despaired of any further recordings, Nos. 4 and 5 were released in 2015 in performances conducted by Porcelijn but recorded this time with the Bochum Symphony Orchestra. The Bochum recordings were made in August 2012. (Of the symphonies unrecorded by CPO most are short or very short and Nos. 8, 9, 11, 13 and 15 with a combined running time of 69 minutes could all fit onto one disc).

CPO issued the first three of Natanael Berg's (Sweden; 1879-1957) five sypmhonies: No.3 was recorded in May/June 2006 with the Norrkoping Symphony Orchestra under Ari Rasilainen, Nos. 1 and 2 in February 2007 with Rasilainen conducting the Deutsche State Philharmonic Orchestra, Rheinland Pfalz. The first two symphonies were issued in 2009 and No.3 in 2011.

Many were at least intrigued by the projected complete set of the eight symphonies of Johann Nepomuk David (Austria; 1895-1977). The first of the planned four discs with Nos. 1 and 6 recorded in February-March 2011 by the Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra under Johanne Wildner appeared in 2014. We were told that the same orchestra and conductor had recorded Nos. 2 and 4 and Nos. 3 and 7 and that these two discs would soon follow the first. This had not happened although at least one of these couplings has actually been recorded for CPO.

With a considerable welcome CPO issued the first of a promised cycle of the six symphonies of Louis Glass (Denmark; 1864-1936). No.3 was recorded by the Rhein State Philharmonic Orchestra under Daniel Raiskin in September 2009 but five years passed before the recording went on sale in 2014 and there has not yet been a second release.

Edvin Kallstenius (Sweden; 1881-1967)
wrote five symphonies. The Symphony No.1 was recorded by the Helsingborg Symphony Orchestra under Frank Beermann as far back as October 2007 before surfacing finally in 2014. Again there has been no second disc yet in this cycle.

Lars-Erik Larsson (Sweden; 1908-86) has been a little more fortunate. Andrew Manze recorded all three symphonies in 2011 with the Helsingborg Symphony Orchestra. No.2 was issued in 2014 and No.2 in 2015. We have a good deal of information about the third disc, including the orchestral couplings, but not when it will be released.

The company has a big job on its hands if it really intends to issue all of the symphonies of Julius Rontgen (Netherlands, 1855-1932).[/b] By my calculations there are still eleven symphonies to be recorded (Nos. 7, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17, 20, 22, 23 and 24). The company is using David Porcelijn-as they have for the recordings of van Gilse, Andriessen and Badings-but I see that the recently released cd with the Symphonies Nos. 9 and 21 with the Brandenburg State Orchestra was recorded as long ago as November-December 2005!!

Rudolph Simonsen (Denmark; 1889-1947)
wrote four symphonies and CPO issued Nos. 1 and 2 in 2009  in recordings made by the South Jutland Symphony Orchestra under Israel Yinon in August and September 2006. Though of us impressed by these symphonies had hoped for the other two but so far without success.

And finally, Joseph Holbrooke(United Kingdom; 1878-1958). CPO have issued two cds of Holbrooke's music both conducted by Howard Griffiths with the Brandenburg State Orchestra. The first disc was recorded in August 2008 and released the following year. The second disc, with the Violin Concerto, was recorded in January 2013 and February 2014 and issued in 2016. This "rush" to get the Holbrooke out to their customers is atypical of CPO, although, to be fair, the release of each of the Panufnik symphonies in their cycle of the Polish composer's music was more remarkable. The Panufnik series runs to eight discs and CPO got them out at the rate of two a year between 2010 and 2014. Nor had these performances conducted by Lukasz Borowicz sat for long on the shelves. If CPO could get the Panufnik out so promptly and efficiently.............


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on May 01, 2017, 02:24:48 pm
They know us Holbrookeians just can't wait!! ;D Let's hope this bodes well for a Volume 4!
Five years for more Louis Glass. I can't take any more!!! ::) ;D And their recording of the third symphony and the suite was so good. It really was a minor revelation after the Plovdiv! Not earth shattering,but it made you want to hear what they could do with the rest (or me,anyway!). :( :( :( Have Cpo suddenly lost faith?!! If it was up to me I'd record No 4 next (we know No 5 is good,already).


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on May 01, 2017, 02:38:49 pm
It seems clear from the analysis that, with the clear exception of the Panufnik discs, CPO's policy is to record music and then set the recordings aside for anything between a minimum of three years but often longer before releasing the cd. Why this should be is a bit of a mystery. I can only guess that they have a huge backlog which they work through gradually. This is however frustrating for those of us who wait with varying degrees of impatience for the promised releases. Impatience is a reflection of temperament (and I am certainly impatient by nature ;D) but it also reflects the fact that some of us have less time than others and the idea of sitting patiently for around five years for the next instalment of a cycle carries certain risks :(


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: dhibbard on May 01, 2017, 02:49:30 pm
Yes that seems to be the case..... it may take 20+ years for some of these cycles to complete...after 25 years it won't matter.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on May 01, 2017, 05:46:33 pm
Yes that seems to be the case..... it may take 20+ years for some of these cycles to complete...after 25 years it won't matter.
It makes you feel allot better about it,doesn't it Dundonnell!! :( ;D


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: dhibbard on May 01, 2017, 06:05:23 pm
Yes that seems to be the case..... it may take 20+ years for some of these cycles to complete...after 25 years it won't matter.

by then I'll be hard of hearing, drinking from a tube (teeth gone) in a nursing home in a diaper!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Grandenorm on May 01, 2017, 07:33:57 pm
Quote
They know us Holbrookeians just can't wait!! Grin Let's hope this bodes well for a Volume 4!
Well, Vol. 3 has been recorded - we know that: Symphony No. 3 "Ships"; Variations on "The Girl I Left Behind Me"; Birds of Rhiannon. Hope it is released soon. Nothing positive on Vol. 4 yet (if there is to be one) - but there is talk about a faint possibility of "Queen Mab" and "The Bells". I shall, of course, keep everyone abreast of developments (as far as I am permitted to do so).


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on May 01, 2017, 08:22:52 pm
Quote
They know us Holbrookeians just can't wait!! Grin Let's hope this bodes well for a Volume 4!
Well, Vol. 3 has been recorded - we know that: Symphony No. 3 "Ships"; Variations on "The Girl I Left Behind Me"; Birds of Rhiannon. Hope it is released soon. Nothing positive on Vol. 4 yet (if there is to be one) - but there is talk about a faint possibility of "Queen Mab" and "The Bells". I shall, of course, keep everyone abreast of developments (as far as I am permitted to do so).

Thanks, Gareth :) It may be that pressure from the conductor (in this case Howard Griffiths) may speed along CPO's release dates. In the past they have blamed their cd booklet authors and/or translators for delays.

Indeed-in reference to the "20 years" ;D I am afraid that I cannot wait that long!!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on May 01, 2017, 09:49:49 pm
Instead of making overviews of music that's not on cd, I listen to music. I'm grateful there're guys like Schmilgun, von Bahr, Couzens who take risks with unknown repertoire. I'm sure there's so much music I won't get to known before passing out.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on May 01, 2017, 11:01:04 pm
Instead of making overviews of music that's not on cd, I listen to music. I'm grateful there're guys like Schmilgun, von Bahr, Couzens who take risks with unknown repertoire. I'm sure there's so much music I won't get to known before passing out.

Your response suggests that this is an "either or" situation and implies that I (and others who feel the same way) are not grateful to CPO and its indefatigable repertoire boss, Burkhard Schmilgun.

In relation to gratitude such an implication could not be further from the truth. My admiration for CPO and its wonderful work over the years in bringing so much unrecorded repertoire to its customers remains boundless. I am a regular purchaser of CPO cds and intend to continue to be so.

The purpose of my post was to make myself and others who might be interested aware of the current state of play in regard to ongoing CPO projects; projects which the company itself has advertised. In doing the necessary research I discovered that it does take the company a number of years to get its recordings onto cd and out to its customers. THere may be perfectly valid reasons for this. Some of us do however find this rather frustrating. We can and we do hugely appreciate what we get from the company but that does not debar us from expressing our hopes that the remaining issues in an advertised series will not be too long delayed. If that is considered to be criticism then it is only a reflection of our enthusiasm as loyal (and grateful) customers for the repertoire which CPO records and our hope that we shall not have to wait too long to hear more of it.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: calyptorhynchus on May 02, 2017, 09:14:01 am
Quote
In the past they have blamed their cd booklet authors and/or translators for delays.

If it's taking up to 20 years then there'd be time enough to teach a CPO employee a new language and get them to translate it.

 ;D


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Christo on May 02, 2017, 10:07:52 am
Quote
In the past they have blamed their cd booklet authors and/or translators for delays.

If it's taking up to 20 years then there'd be time enough to teach a CPO employee a new language and get them to translate it.

 ;D

In the meantime, he or she could even learn to compose and perform the piece him/herself. Spares time and money too.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on May 02, 2017, 12:27:11 pm
Co-incidentally three new CPO discs have just popped through my letter-box: Hendrik Andriessen's Symphony No.4, Paul Ben-Haim's Symphony No.2 and three orchestral pieces by Siegmund von Hausegger. 

I welcome these new releases with warm appreciation and thanks :) I also note that the Ben-Haim was recorded in 2010 (seven years ago). If we have to wait for seven years for the newly recorded Holbrooke symphony I shall be very disappointed-if I am still around to be disappointed ;)

The proposition that I should listen again and again.........to Johann Nepomuk David's two released symphonies and not express the hope that I can reasonably soon expect to hear his other symphonies from CPO (two at least have already been recorded a year or two ago) is unreasonable and unrealistic. Friends-and I do consider myself a "friend" of CPO are entitled to raise an issue. If that is a "criticism" of the company then so be it but I remain a passionate admirer of its fantastic enterprise.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on May 02, 2017, 12:41:26 pm
And I am astounded,judging by all your posts over the years,both here and at the GMG Forum,that anyone would think otherwise!! ??? :o


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on May 02, 2017, 12:47:43 pm
And I am astounded,judging by all your posts over the years,both here and at the GMG Forum,that anyone would think otherwise!! ??? :o

 :) :)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on May 02, 2017, 02:39:04 pm
It should also be noted-although I did not know or had forgotten-that the conductor of the Ben-Haim cd is Israel Yinon. Yinon died whilst conducting in Lucerne in January 2015. He did a great deal for the music of a large number of neglected composers.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: oldfezzi on May 03, 2017, 06:04:18 pm
I love their recordings and am grateful for them.  What irritates me is, the Hausegger was announced for release two years ago.   The Graener Cello Concerto was too and we've heard nary a word about it since.  What is their point in making these silly announcements when they don't intend to release as promised???


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: dhibbard on May 03, 2017, 07:16:42 pm
I love their recordings and am grateful for them.  What irritates me is, the Hausegger was announced for release two years ago.   The Graener Cello Concerto was too and we've heard nary a word about it since.  What is their point in making these silly announcements when they don't intend to release as promised???

yes it seems like it takes years for these cycles to be released..... some of the new Naxos CDs being released were recorded in the 1990s.... uggghh


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: calyptorhynchus on May 03, 2017, 10:08:36 pm

yes it seems like it takes years for these cycles to be released..... some of the new Naxos CDs being released were recorded in the 1990s.... uggghh


Some of these might be recordings which were issued under other labels and are being released by Naxos, I know this is the case for their American music series.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on May 04, 2017, 12:35:13 am
In defence of CPO it is a bit Catch-22. If they did not tell us in advance about future releases-as many other companies do not-then we might grumble about that. CPO so tell us about future releases but then take some years to actually release them. Tough call


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on June 19, 2017, 10:06:14 pm
Well, there it is, GLASS volume 2 https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/louis-glass-symphonie-nr-5/hnum/4111668
And the Barbarossa by HAUSEGGER https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/siegmund-von-hausegger-barbarossa/hnum/4963361
Both to be released July, 25 (in Germany)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: dhibbard on June 20, 2017, 03:16:22 am
Glad to see the Glass CD come out... no doubt will be better sound quality than the Danacord version.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on June 20, 2017, 02:31:30 pm
Fantastic news! :) The Cpo recording of the third symphony revealed a lovely,romantic,tuneful symphony in all it's glory. The Suite was,imho,arguably even finer. I would have liked to hear what they could do with one of the other symphonies really,because we all know (or some of us,anyway?) how good the Fifth is already. Still,musn't grumble,as they say;and I can see the reasoning here.Incidentally,according to the paper inlay,the third Symphony was recorded in September 2009. The actual cd was released in 2014.

The Hausegger is not currently on my 'wish' list;but I bought the cd of his Natursymphonie a few months ago,and after a few listens,I do think it is quite a find. Is anyone here planning to order this,follow-up,release,I wonder?


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on June 20, 2017, 03:47:21 pm
I can fully appreciate your delight at seeing another instalment in CPO's Louis Glass series :) You have been expressing your hopes that there would be another such release for some time on this forum ;D ;D

I am also pleased to note the forthcoming further release of music by von Hausseger. At the same time this one rather puzzles me. The last von Hausseger cd appeared for sale in the UK only two months ago (April). Such a "delay" in following up one cd by another of the same composer's music is, as far as I can recall, unprecedented ;D

......now, what about another instalment in the Johann Nepomuk David series ???


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on June 20, 2017, 04:37:41 pm
I can fully appreciate your delight at seeing another instalment in CPO's Louis Glass series :) You have been expressing your hopes that there would be another such release for some time on this forum ;D ;D

I am also pleased to note the forthcoming further release of music by von Hausseger. At the same time this one rather puzzles me. The last von Hausseger cd appeared for sale in the UK only two months ago (April). Such a "delay" in following up one cd by another of the same composer's music is, as far as I can recall, unprecedented ;D

......now, what about another instalment in the Johann Nepomuk David series ???
Not following the von Hausegger series that closely,I didn't realise that this was a vol 3!!!! Does this mean I can expect a third cd in the Louis Glass series in mid to late August?!! :o ;D Can't wait (Erm,I wouldn't have to,really! ;D)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on June 22, 2017, 03:38:27 pm
There's often a bit of grumbling when a recording label brings out another recorded cycle of a less well known composer that has already been done. In this case,the Plovdiv performances,and recording quality,were so sub-standard I don't think anyone should be complaining this new one from Cpo. I think the Cpo recording of Louis Glass' third symphony,and the Suite that accompanies it,were quite a revelation for me. It has certainly provided me with allot of pleasure. As for further dulicate cycles of lesser known composers. If I had a recording label the Tournemire symphonies would definitely be high on my list. Although,if I did have a recording label (perchance to dream?!! ;D) composers and works that haven't been recorded would be a priority. I'd still need funding,though!! I couldn't fund my complete recordings of Holbrooke's The Cauldron of Annwn cycle,Queen Mab,Apollo and the Seaman and,Dundonnell would be pleased to hear,a Peter Racine Fricker cycle,on hot air,could I?!!

 ??? ::) ;D


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on June 22, 2017, 10:39:33 pm
I don't think anyone could disagree that the Plovdiv versions of the Louis Glass symphonies needed to be at least supplemented if not replaced by more satisfactory modern recordings and that CPO were quite right to seek to do just that. I have queried some decisions made by, for example, Chandos in issuing new sets of recordings of works already available but I have no problems with the Glass.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: calyptorhynchus on June 23, 2017, 07:43:46 am
Salamanov is one composer who needs modern recordings of his symphonies. Thankfully his string quartets have a good modern performance in the catalogue.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: dhibbard on June 23, 2017, 03:42:40 pm
I don't think anyone could disagree that the Plovdiv versions of the Louis Glass symphonies needed to be at least supplemented if not replaced by more satisfactory modern recordings and that CPO were quite right to seek to do just that. I have queried some decisions made by, for example, Chandos in issuing new sets of recordings of works already available but I have no problems with the Glass.

I agree... Glass deserves a new cycle.  Everytime I visit the BIS or Chandos site, I get discouraged by another Beethoven, Bach, Brahms, Mozart, or Tchaikovsky cycle... Ondine included.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on June 23, 2017, 04:11:49 pm
Ah yes,Chandos! I remember them well! The feverish rifling through the pages of Gramophone to their latest release ad. And BIS,too! Good on Cpo. Please keep up the good work.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Gauk on June 23, 2017, 06:16:42 pm
Salamanov is one composer who needs modern recordings of his symphonies. Thankfully his string quartets have a good modern performance in the catalogue.

Agreed!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: dhibbard on June 23, 2017, 07:19:26 pm
seems that labels now are reissuing their catalog in HD instead of focusing on new unrecorded works....uggghhh  another Beethoven or Brahms cycle... really????


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on June 23, 2017, 08:19:06 pm
seems that labels now are reissuing their catalog in HD instead of focusing on new unrecorded works....uggghhh  another Beethoven or Brahms cycle... really????
True, even 'minors' like Pentatone, start recording the well known repertoire. From their newsletter: With his Moscow-based State Academic Symphony Orchestra “Evgeny Svetlanov” (GASO), the Russian maestro will helm a new complete cycle of the symphonies of Sergei Prokofiev , the first installment of which will feature Symphonies Nos. 2 and 3 and is slated for release in November this year. Both the original and revised versions of Symphony No. 4 will follow in 2018. 


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: dhibbard on June 23, 2017, 08:50:06 pm
just fyi.....  info about the Louis Glass CD:
   
Item has not been released yet, probable delivery date is 25.7.2017.You can order the title now. It will be dispatched to you as soon as it is available.

Louis Glass (1864-1936)   
Symphonien Vol.2
Daniel Raiskin, Marianna Shirinyan,  Staatsorchester Rheinische Philharmonie


Symphonie Nr. 5 C-Dur op. 57 "Svastika"
 +Fantasie op. 47 für Klavier & Orchester
Artists: Daniel Raiskin, Marianna Shirinyan, Staatsorchester Rheinische Philharmonie
Label: CPO, DDD, 2013
Order number: 4111668
Release date: 25.7.2017


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on July 13, 2017, 06:59:24 am
Some interesting August 2017 releases:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/mario-castelnuovo-tedesco-cellokonzert/hnum/6096019
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/georg-schumann-symphonien/hnum/6096070
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/alexander-von-zemlinsky-die-seejungfrau/hnum/7136595


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on July 15, 2017, 10:23:54 pm
Some interesting August 2017 releases:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/mario-castelnuovo-tedesco-cellokonzert/hnum/6096019
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/georg-schumann-symphonien/hnum/6096070
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/alexander-von-zemlinsky-die-seejungfrau/hnum/7136595

The Georg Schumann works are new to cd and should be well worth hearing, paricularly the Symphony in F minor (1905), which is very highly rated by those who know the work. Schumann lived until 1952 and I would certainly like to see some of the music he wrote later in life on cd (the Variations and Gigue on a theme of Handel (1925), the Orchestral Variations on "Vetter Michael" (1930) and the Violin Concerto).

The Castelnuovo-Tedesco Cello Concerto is also new to cd. The Hans Gal appeared not so long ago on an Avie cd. Zemlinsky's "Die Seejungfrau" on the other hand has been recordedseveral times and there are six different versions already currently available so the field is a bit crowded here.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on August 01, 2017, 05:29:23 pm
An update (of sorts) on CPO projects.

By my reckoning CPO have embarked on surveys of the symphonic output of around 46 composers who worked mainly if not entirely in the 20th century. They have completed, ie released all of the symphonies of 31 of these composers.

There are a number of composers who had one or two of their symphonies released but so long ago that it would be possibly realistic to doubt that the company has any plans to record/release any more. These include Karol Rathaus, Eduard Erdmann, Alfredo Casella, Rudolph Simonsen, Natanael Berg and Gunter Raphael. I would certainly not include them in a list of "ongoing CPO projects".

That leaves the following:

Johann Nepomuk David (Austria): two of the seven symphonies appeared in 2014 (Nos. 1 and 6). Oddly enough Mike Herman in his Discographies on Musicweb actually provides the cd label numbers for the recordings of Nos. 2 and 4 and of Nos. 3 and 7 and says that these two cds were released in 2015 (which they certainly were not). However this does seem to suggest that they will be released at some point!

Edvin Kallstenius (Sweden): Symphony No.1 was released in 2014. There are another four to go.

Henk Badings (Netherlands): Symphonies Nos. 2,3,4,5,7,10,12 and 14 have been released. Having told me previously that they had no further plans to continue this "series" they then produced Nos. 4 and 5 in 2015. So....who knows?

Lars-Erik Larsson (Sweden): Symphonies Nos. 1 and 2 came out in 2014 and 2015. Again, Mike Herman provides the number of the cd containing Symphony No.3 and the orchestral couplings so I think we can expect this one soon..ish.

Louis Glass (Denmark): Symphonies Nos. 3 and 5 have been released (No.5 only in July) so this is indeed am ongoing series.

Julius Rontgen (Netherlands): the latest release is a cd containing Symphonies Nos. 9 and 21. Although just released the recordings were actually made in 2005 which (if true) would be astonishing even for CPO! There are, of course, a lot of the symphonies still unrecorded (Nos. 7, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17, 20, 22, 23 and 24) so we might have to wait a very long time......

Felix Woyrsch (Germany): Symphonies Nos. 2 and 3 have been released, No. 3 in 2015. There are four symphonies to go.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on August 01, 2017, 11:04:26 pm
Felix Woyrsch added above.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on August 02, 2017, 10:14:31 am
Yep, the situation around the Dutch composers Röntgen and Badings is puzzling. An interview with conductor David Porcelijn, from september 2015, in Opus Klassiek https://www.opusklassiek.nl/interviews/porcelijn_interview.htm states (I translated some of the Dutch into English, probably with some mistakes):

Wat staat er verder bij CPO op stapel?
'Van Hendrik Andriessen komt nog de Vierde symfonie uit, de laatste opname uit Enschede. Dat zal waarschijnlijk ook de laatste blijven. Er komen nog drie cd's met symfonieën van Röntgen, die al zijn opgenomen in Helsingborg en Frankfurt an der Oder. Van Badings heb ik in Bochum de Vierde en Vijfde symfonie vastgelegd. De Achtste en Negende moeten nog worden opgenomen. Badings is een van de belangrijkste Nederlandse componisten, met een nog persoonlijker geluid dan Van Gilse. Van Cornelis Dopper zijn enkele symfonieën nooit opgenomen. Ik heb ze voorgesteld aan het Noord Nederlands Orkest, omdat Dopper uit Stadskanaal - hun regio - komt, maar ze willen niet. Onbegrijpelijk! Die symfonieën komen op cd, maar we zullen het waarschijnlijk met een Duits orkest moeten doen.'

What will CPO release in the near future?
Andriessen's symphony nr.4, done in Enschede (released). [...] Three more CD's with Röntgen symphonies, already recorded in Helsingborg and Frankfurt Oder, will follow. I did Badings nrs. 4 & 5 (released) in Bochum. Nr. 8 & 9 are still to be recorded. [...] Some symphonies by Cornelis Dopper have never been recorded. I suggested cpo to record them with the North Netherlands orchestra, that's because Dopper lived in Stadskanaal (Groningen) but they declined. I don't get that. Those symphonies will be recorded but I think we've to record them with German orchestras.

Although there was mention of recording the three symphonies of Willem Pijper with Porcelijn and the Enschede orchestra - which could be done on 1 CD - I've never heard anything more about that project.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Gauk on August 02, 2017, 05:13:59 pm
Would love to have more Dopper!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on August 02, 2017, 06:25:39 pm
Yep, the situation around the Dutch composers Röntgen and Badings is puzzling. An interview with conductor David Porcelijn, from september 2015, in Opus Klassiek https://www.opusklassiek.nl/interviews/porcelijn_interview.htm states (I translated some of the Dutch into English, probably with some mistakes):

Wat staat er verder bij CPO op stapel?
'Van Hendrik Andriessen komt nog de Vierde symfonie uit, de laatste opname uit Enschede. Dat zal waarschijnlijk ook de laatste blijven. Er komen nog drie cd's met symfonieën van Röntgen, die al zijn opgenomen in Helsingborg en Frankfurt an der Oder. Van Badings heb ik in Bochum de Vierde en Vijfde symfonie vastgelegd. De Achtste en Negende moeten nog worden opgenomen. Badings is een van de belangrijkste Nederlandse componisten, met een nog persoonlijker geluid dan Van Gilse. Van Cornelis Dopper zijn enkele symfonieën nooit opgenomen. Ik heb ze voorgesteld aan het Noord Nederlands Orkest, omdat Dopper uit Stadskanaal - hun regio - komt, maar ze willen niet. Onbegrijpelijk! Die symfonieën komen op cd, maar we zullen het waarschijnlijk met een Duits orkest moeten doen.'

What will CPO release in the near future?
Andriessen's symphony nr.4, done in Enschede (released). [...] Three more CD's with Röntgen symphonies, already recorded in Helsingborg and Frankfurt Oder, will follow. I did Badings nrs. 4 & 5 (released) in Bochum. Nr. 8 & 9 are still to be recorded. [...] Some symphonies by Cornelis Dopper have never been recorded. I suggested cpo to record them with the North Netherlands orchestra, that's because Dopper lived in Stadskanaal (Groningen) but they declined. I don't get that. Those symphonies will be recorded but I think we've to record them with German orchestras.

Although there was mention of recording the three symphonies of Willem Pijper with Porcelijn and the Enschede orchestra - which could be done on 1 CD - I've never heard anything more about that project.

Thanks for this!

The Henk Badings Symphonies Nos. 8 and 9 are 18 and 19 minutes long respectively so a lot more could be put onto that cd!!  No. 11, for example, is a mere 7 minutes long. (Incidentally, No.9 is already on a Polymnie cd.)

As you say, the three Pijper symphonies would comfortably make it onto a single cd.

As for Cornelis Dopper (who one might think would be very much to the taste of those at CPO), the thinking may be that Chandos recorded the Second, Third and Sixth Symphonies and there are a couple of cd recordings of the Seventh.  Of the other three I seem to vaguely recall that there were some doubts about whether one of them was still in existence in full score (the big choral Symphony No.5 "Sinfonia epica" ?? - which would be very expensive to record even if it does still exist).


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Christo on August 03, 2017, 08:53:03 am
In addition, Porcelijn states in the interview:
- that he supposes the Hendrik Andriessen CD with the Fourth Symphony will be the last of the series ('Dat zal waarschijnlijk ook de laatste blijven.'), which gives little hope of a sequel with Andriessen's other major work (esp. his larger choral/orchestral pieces, or the masses).
- that he considers Badings a more original composer than Van Gilse ('een nog persoonlijker geluid dan Van Gilse').
- that it was the North Netherlands Orchestra, not CPO, that declined his proposal to record the remaining Dopper symphonies with them, but that they will be released anyway, probably with a German orchestra ('Die symfonieën komen op cd, maar we zullen het waarschijnlijk met een Duits orkest moeten doen'.)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Gauk on August 03, 2017, 09:31:09 am
I have to share his opinion about Badings and van Gilse. I'm not sure I like Badings's music, but it is certainly original, whereas van Gilse I find rather pallid.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Grandenorm on August 03, 2017, 11:26:36 am
The score of Dopper's symphony no. 5 exists.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on August 03, 2017, 01:20:18 pm
In addition, Porcelijn states in the interview:
- that he supposes the Hendrik Andriessen CD with the Fourth Symphony will be the last of the series ('Dat zal waarschijnlijk ook de laatste blijven.'), which gives little hope of a sequel with Andriessen's other major work (esp. his larg choral/orchestral pieces, or the masses).
- that he considers Badings a more original composer than Van Gilse ('een nog persoonlijker geluid dan Van Gilse').
- that it was the North Netherlands Orchestra, not CPO, that declined his proposal to record the remaining Dopper symphonies with them, but that they will be released anyway, with a German orchestra ('Die symfonieën komen op cd, maar we zullen het waarschijnlijk met een Duits orkest moeten doen'.)


Interesting! Porcelijn certainly seems the driving force behind all this. CPO has (brilliantly) exploited the relationship it has with orchestras in Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands etc to use the opportunities of radio broadcasts or public performances to combine with recordings and reduce costs. Big choral works are expensive and feature less often in consequence, although they do sometimes make it to cd.

I wonder if it is the Dopper Symphony No.4 "Symphonietta" which is missing?


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Grandenorm on August 03, 2017, 10:05:50 pm
There are no missing symphonies by Dopper. They are all in the Dopper Archive: http://www.nederlandsmuziekinstituut.nl/images/inventaris/dopper.pdf (http://www.nederlandsmuziekinstituut.nl/images/inventaris/dopper.pdf)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on August 09, 2017, 07:40:53 pm
I see that the forthcoming release of the Castelnuovo-Tedesco/Hans Gal cello concertos will be the first of a series of cello concertos by Jewish composers In Exile.

I wonder which we can expect? Schonberg, Ernst Krenek wrote two, Berthold Goldschmidt: these have all been recorded. Korngold's cello concerto has actually appeared on a previous cpo disc. There is the Franz Reizenstein which has never been recorded and which I think is a good bet given that the soloist is Raphael Wallfisch. Who else?


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on August 25, 2017, 01:07:30 pm
The new releases of the Georg Schumann Symphony in F minor and the Castelnuovo-Tedesco and Hans Gal Cello Concertos arrived in today's post. Both cds were recorded last year  Ok, CPO no more excuses; you can get recent recordings out on release! So....what about recordings you made years ago?


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on August 25, 2017, 11:28:31 pm
I see that the forthcoming release of the Castelnuovo-Tedesco/Hans Gal cello concertos will be the first of a series of cello concertos by Jewish composers In Exile.

I wonder which we can expect? Schonberg, Ernst Krenek wrote two, Berthold Goldschmidt: these have all been recorded. Korngold's cello concerto has actually appeared on a previous cpo disc. There is the Franz Reizenstein which has never been recorded and which I think is a good bet given that the soloist is Raphael Wallfisch. Who else?

To answer my own question: I see from Raphael Wallfisch's own website that future releases will include the Cello Concertos of-

Karl Weigl (1934)
Franz Reizenstein (composed in 1951; not 1936 as stated in my online catalogue)
Berthold Goldschmidt (1953)
Robert Starer (1988)


and Ernest Bloch's "Symphony for Cello and Orchestra". I am assuming that this is "Voices in the Wilderness" (1936). Whether however Ernest Bloch can really be considered a "Jewish composer in Exile" is a moot point!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on October 20, 2017, 07:14:22 am
Out November, 13 - in Germany at jpc: https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/emil-nikolaus-von-reznicek-benzin/hnum/4963369


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: patmos.beje on November 04, 2017, 01:01:29 am

I haven't purchased many CPO CDs in recent years.  The last was the first CD in the intended Larsson series.  I did contemplate purchasing the Holbrooke Violin Concerto but decided I was contented with the German radio broadcast download.

However, since acquiring in the 1970s an LP of the Heifetz Walton Concerto coupled with Castelnuovo-Tedesco second Violin Concerto, I have always been fond of the latter - although none of his other works have matched its appeal.

Accordingly, I decided to buy the disc of the Castelnuovo-Tedesco and Gal Cello Concertos.  I wasn't over impressed on a first listen albeit there were several attractive moments in both Concertos.  A few other listens have warmed me to both works.  I was particularly struck by the Gal having been disappointed with his Violin Concerto.  Not, in my opinion, the masterpieces the cellist claims they are but attractive pieces nonetheless and, in my view, worth having.

I will probably buy the Weigl Cello Concerto when it is released.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on November 11, 2017, 08:01:03 pm
Will be released on cpo records December, 4th 2017.
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/jaromir-weinberger-wallenstein/hnum/7136596


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Ilja on January 15, 2018, 06:26:34 pm
There are no missing symphonies by Dopper. They are all in the Dopper Archive: http://www.nederlandsmuziekinstituut.nl/images/inventaris/dopper.pdf (http://www.nederlandsmuziekinstituut.nl/images/inventaris/dopper.pdf)

They are not missing perhaps, but Nos. 4 and 5 only exist in manuscript form, and they will need some work. The fourth is doable considering its length and the ensemble's size, but the Fifth ("Sinfonia Epica") is a huge, two-and-a-half-hour Mahler-sized affair with added instruments and two choirs. I've seen the ms and it will require pretty thorough editing.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on January 31, 2018, 08:42:23 am
A second volume, available end of february, in the (I hope) ongoing JN David series at CPO https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/johann-nepomuk-david-symphonien-nr-2-4/hnum/7558140


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on January 31, 2018, 10:29:17 am
Halleluja 

It has taken four years to get to Volume 2. I note that the recording appears to have been made in 2008, ie it has taken Ten Years to be released :o

Please, CPO, don't make us wait another four for the next instalment!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Expi on February 01, 2018, 10:13:11 am
the reason for those delays are mostly, that CPO sets value on an academic funded booklet text, as Schmilgun once said. one reason more not to buy those cds. !!!!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on February 01, 2018, 11:25:22 am
Don't tell me it has to take 4 years to write a booklet for a single CD!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on February 01, 2018, 01:29:36 pm
Don't tell me it has to take 4 years to write a booklet for a single CD!

Indeed!!!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Grandenorm on February 01, 2018, 09:24:25 pm
I am more bemused as to why having an erudite booklet text would be a reason NOT to buy the CDs, but then I know Expi has a very contrary mindset  ???


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on February 15, 2018, 04:31:10 am
I see that CPO have commenced on a new cycle of the symphonies of Hugo Alfven.

Now there are already complete sets of all five Alfven symphonies from BIS (Royal Stockholm Philharmonic/Neeme Jarvi) and Naxos (Royal Scottish National Orchestra/Niklas Willen).
Do I feel like investing in another Alfven series (spread out over goodness knows how many years!)? Frankly, no. Others will disagree.

At the same time Chandos has embarked on a Dag Wiren cycle with the Iceland Symphony Orchestra/Rumon Gamba when we already have a CPO set conducted by Thomas Dausgaard.

Such duplication is fine for those who have the money and time to spend on duplication. It is galling for those of us who consider the continuing neglect of arguably Sweden's finest symphonist, Hilding Rosenberg, scandalous.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Expi on February 15, 2018, 12:42:37 pm
I can't wait for a new Alfven cycle. He's the "creme dela creme" of the swedish romantics, better than Atterberg or Peterson-Berger.  You mentioned Hilding Rosenberg, most of his symphonies are aviable, and i think it's redundant music. Alan Pettersson is the FINEST swedish symphonist !!!!!!!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on February 15, 2018, 10:36:56 pm
In fact the Rosenberg symphonies which are available are, with the exceptions of recordings of Nos. 3 and 6, over 30 years old or even older and there is no cycle of the symphonies from any single label (unlike Alfven, Atterberg, Rangstrom, Larsson, Wiren, Pettersson, Blomdahl, Nystroem.........).


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Gauk on February 20, 2018, 08:19:54 pm
A von Koch cycle would also be welcome.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Toby Esterhase on February 21, 2018, 12:27:00 am
Orthel,Koetsier.Escher.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Expi on February 22, 2018, 08:12:01 am
and why not a Micky Mouse symphonies cycle !!! seems every composers name snapped open must have his own symphonies cycle. My goodness ...


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Gauk on February 22, 2018, 06:26:05 pm
and why not a Micky Mouse symphonies cycle !!!

You think there are some? You may be confusing it with "Loony Tunes"... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Merry-Go-Round_Broke_Down (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Merry-Go-Round_Broke_Down)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Christo on February 23, 2018, 02:39:03 am
Orthel, Koetsier, Escher.
Absolutely, all three of them. And also Van Otterloo (his restored Second Symphony proved a revelation).


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on February 23, 2018, 07:51:33 am
Off topic I'm sure, but........... Van Otterloo's Symphony #2 (arr. by Otto Ketting)Well here it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSu1w5F6lyI


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on March 10, 2018, 07:09:02 pm
I certainly do not disagree with the composers named by other members as worthy of attention from CPO.

What I would prefer is that they completed those series on which they embarked some time ago. I received by post today the new cd with Johann Nepomuk David's 2nd and 4th symphonies. The recording was made in Vienna between September 22-26, 2008. So it has taken almost a decade for these symphonies to get from recording to release :o

I intend to write to CPO to enquire how long we might wait for-
the remaining 4 David symphonies
the rest of the Edvin Kallstenius symphonies
the rest of the Henk Badings symphonies

Record companies need to understand more clearly that their loyal customers deserve better information, even if perforce it has to be incomplete, somewhat vague, conditional etc etc.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on March 10, 2018, 08:30:55 pm
I sincerely hope you get a reply. A year or two ago I've also asked about the Badings cycle.... and about the intended Pijper symphonies .... and Van Gilse's Thijl..... still waiting for an answer....


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on March 10, 2018, 09:32:13 pm
I sincerely hope you get a reply. A year or two ago I've also asked about the Badings cycle.... and about the intended Pijper symphonies .... and Van Gilse's Thijl..... still waiting for an answer....

Thank you. I can but try! If I do not get a reply then I would regard that as genuinely insulting.

CPO does an absolutely wonderful job in recording the music of neglected composers. But, like any commercial undertaking, they depend on their customers buying their products. These loyal customers deserve some respect!!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on March 11, 2018, 03:46:12 am
Just a brief addendum to my previous post and.my comments on the Johann Nepomuk David cycle, I see from various online sources that Johannes Wildner recorded Symphonies Nos. 3 and 7 in March 2014.

So........


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Expi on March 11, 2018, 11:19:39 am
I can give you the answer, that CPO will officially never give. Mostly the reason is, that they always waiting for an academical booklet text for several years. many academics are slow and lazy. Schmilgun babbled about that in the JPC courier some years ago, to legitimate the late release of the first Kallstenius disc. And its definitely not a singular case. Believe it or not, i hold every bet, that the 2014 recorded next David recording, will not be released bevor 2020 !  >:( 


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on March 11, 2018, 02:56:04 pm
Since the booklet notes for the releases which take longest to reach our shelves after recording are usually written by German academics the suggestion that they are "slow and lazy" seems a bit wierd There must be others who CPO could turn to in a country as big as Germany with so many musicologists. The notes for the recent David cd-the one which took ten years to release- were written by Dr. Bernhard Kahn from the JN David Archive in Stuttgart. I would have thought that they would be as anxious as most to get the music to the public! His notes had to be translated into English but that would take, at most, weeks not years.

I am not saying that this is not an issue for CPO but I am saying that it is one which could and should be overcome.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Gauk on March 12, 2018, 06:47:56 pm
It's certainly the case that CPO releases tend to have the most prolix, wordy liner notes you are ever likely to encounter.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Greg K on March 12, 2018, 11:21:46 pm
It's certainly the case that CPO releases tend to have the most prolix, wordy liner notes you are ever likely to encounter.

Is generic vacuousness preferable?

If you read German it becomes evident that ungainly translations can often be blamed for the obscurities and ponderousness.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Gauk on March 13, 2018, 09:14:40 am
Perhaps it's the translators that slow everything down and not the academics!

 ;D


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on April 12, 2018, 08:51:21 am
Some new releases for May (28, in Germany). Franz Lachner opera and 3rd symphony:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/franz-lachner-catharina-cornaro/hnum/3097613
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/franz-lachner-symphonie-nr-3/hnum/6096032
Leo van der Pals, never heard of this globetrotter.... A new 'ongoing' CPO project?
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/leopold-van-der-pals-orchesterwerke/hnum/6100120


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Latvian on April 12, 2018, 12:20:21 pm
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Leo van der Pals, never heard of this globetrotter.... A new 'ongoing' CPO project?
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/leopold-van-der-pals-orchesterwerke/hnum/6100120

This looks interesting!

I wonder how this "Wieland the Smith" compares with Hausegger's?


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on July 23, 2018, 02:25:45 pm
With the three Lars-Erik Larsson symphonies now released CPO's "ongoing series" would now seem to be:

1) Johann Nepomuk David (Austria-Germany): four symphonies released out of eight.
2) Julius Rontgen (Netherlands): eleven symphonies released out of twenty-two extant.
3) Henk Badings (Netherlands): eight symphonies released out of fifteen.
4) Louis Glass (Denmark): two symphonies released out of six.

The David are being recorded by the Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra under Johannes Wildner....but at snail's pace. The Rontgen and Badings continuation depends I suppose on the conductor David Porcelijn's commitment to them.

I am pretty pessimistic about:

5) Rudolph Simonsen (Denmark): two symphonies released out of four. These were recorded in 2006 and released in 2009 but the conductor was Israel Yinon who died in 2015.
6) Nathanael Berg (Sweden): three symphonies released out of five. These were recorded in 2006-2007 and released in 2009-2010. The conductor was Ari Rasilainen who does not seem to do much for CPO these days.
7) Edvin Kallstenius (Sweden): one symphony released (to some acclaim) out of five. However that recording by the Helsingborg Symphony Orchestra under Frank Beermann, released in 2014, was actually recorded in October 2007.

I may be wrong but my gut feeling is that CPO has lost interest in these three composers.

Maybe they should take up the Norwegian Klaus Egge, the Swede Hilding Rosenberg, the Finn Ernest Pingoud, the Pole Grazyna Bacewicz ?????


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on July 23, 2018, 05:31:40 pm
And I'm hoping there will be more Louis Glass symphonies,so I can finally say goodbye to those Plovdiv cd's!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on July 23, 2018, 05:42:54 pm
And I'm hoping there will be more Louis Glass symphonies,so I can finally say goodbye to those Plovdiv cd's!

My apologies. I overlooked Glass. I shall add to my post.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on July 24, 2018, 11:54:40 am
I think cpo introduced Paul Graener some years ago and seemed to have the intention to release a complete survey of his orchestral works (3 Volumes released so far)?


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: cilgwyn on August 07, 2018, 05:38:12 pm
and why not a Micky Mouse symphonies cycle !!! seems every composers name snapped open must have his own symphonies cycle. My goodness ...
Mickey Mouse composed symphonies?!!!! :o


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: dhibbard on August 07, 2018, 06:15:22 pm
I think cpo introduced Paul Graener some years ago and seemed to have the intention to release a complete survey of his orchestral works (3 Volumes released so far)?

hmm .....I seem to remember that some members had a problem with Graener :   "Graener had joined the Militant League for German Culture, and on 1 April 1933 he became a member of the Nazi Party."   Don't want to open that can of worms but just saying...!!!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on August 07, 2018, 07:57:00 pm
Okay, there're many more composers with Nazi sympathies. There're many with Stalin sympathies etc. I think cpo intends to evaluate Graener's music, not his sympathies.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Greg K on August 07, 2018, 09:45:16 pm
Okay, there're many more composers with Nazi sympathies. There're many with Stalin sympathies etc. I think cpo intends to evaluate Graener's music, not his sympathies.

The unspoken assumption among those who protest such things is that the music must be infected with the sympathies.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on August 07, 2018, 11:29:02 pm
The subject of the political affiliations,sympathies, associations of particular composers has been discussed on this forum ad nauseam. The discussion goes round and round in circles and is incapable of resolution.

I would respectfully suggest that we leave it alone.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Greg K on August 08, 2018, 12:24:10 am
The subject of the political affiliations,sympathies, associations of particular composers has been discussed on this forum ad nauseam. The discussion goes round and round in circles and is incapable of resolution.

I would respectfully suggest that we leave it alone.

Inappropriate as this thread might be for the discussion, if some members (me not included) want to go more rounds with the topic elsewhere why would that be problematic?  The resolution of debates is a rare occurrence in any case. 


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Dundonnell on August 08, 2018, 01:11:06 pm
I gave my reasons for making a respectful suggestion.

It was no more than that- a suggestion.

If however members wish to continue such discussion then so be it.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Vandermolen on August 13, 2018, 02:11:26 pm
With the three Lars-Erik Larsson symphonies now released CPO's "ongoing series" would now seem to be:

1) Johann Nepomuk David (Austria-Germany): four symphonies released out of eight.
2) Julius Rontgen (Netherlands): eleven symphonies released out of twenty-two extant.
3) Henk Badings (Netherlands): eight symphonies released out of fifteen.
4) Louis Glass (Denmark): two symphonies released out of six.

The David are being recorded by the Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra under Johannes Wildner....but at snail's pace. The Rontgen and Badings continuation depends I suppose on the conductor David Porcelijn's commitment to them.

I am pretty pessimistic about:

5) Rudolph Simonsen (Denmark): two symphonies released out of four. These were recorded in 2006 and released in 2009 but the conductor was Israel Yinon who died in 2015.
6) Nathanael Berg (Sweden): three symphonies released out of five. These were recorded in 2006-2007 and released in 2009-2010. The conductor was Ari Rasilainen who does not seem to do much for CPO these days.
7) Edvin Kallstenius (Sweden): one symphony released (to some acclaim) out of five. However that recording by the Helsingborg Symphony Orchestra under Frank Beermann, released in 2014, was actually recorded in October 2007.

I may be wrong but my gut feeling is that CPO has lost interest in these three composers.

Maybe they should take up the Norwegian Klaus Egge, the Swede Hilding Rosenberg, the Finn Ernest Pingoud, the Pole Grazyna Bacewicz ?????

A modern recording of Klaus Egge's fine First Symphony would be great. The Karsten Andersen on Philips/Aurora is only so-so with a boxed-in recording and I don't think that the earlier but superior Gruner-Hegge recording will ever be reissued on CD.


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Latvian on August 13, 2018, 07:04:00 pm
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A modern recording of Klaus Egge's fine First Symphony would be great. The Karsten Andersen on Philips/Aurora is only so-so with a boxed-in recording and I don't think that the earlier but superior Gruner-Hegge recording will ever be reissued on CD.

Yes, that would be great!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Vandermolen on August 13, 2018, 10:17:49 pm
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A modern recording of Klaus Egge's fine First Symphony would be great. The Karsten Andersen on Philips/Aurora is only so-so with a boxed-in recording and I don't think that the earlier but superior Gruner-Hegge recording will ever be reissued on CD.

Yes, that would be great!

Wishful thinking on my part I suspect - but, you never know!
 :)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on August 15, 2018, 08:09:14 am
Just ordered the Aurora Egge Symphony 1 at Amazon.co.uk; think I try to judge by myself if it's a great symphony and a boxed-in recording (on my hifi-system)!


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on September 12, 2018, 12:39:23 pm
If von Herzogenberg and Papandopulo can be called 'a cpo project', we get some new releases per September (18, in Germany).
Von Herzogenberg his oratorio Columbus:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/heinrich-von-herzogenberg-columbus/hnum/7971819
And Boris Papandopulo Vol.3: https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/boris-papandopulo-cembalokonzert/hnum/5434256


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: Vandermolen on September 12, 2018, 01:35:47 pm
Just ordered the Aurora Egge Symphony 1 at Amazon.co.uk; think I try to judge by myself if it's a great symphony and a boxed-in recording (on my hifi-system)!

So, what was your verdict?
 8)


Title: Re: Ongoing CPO projects.
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on September 13, 2018, 06:22:00 am
Just ordered the Aurora Egge Symphony 1 at Amazon.co.uk; think I try to judge by myself if it's a great symphony and a boxed-in recording (on my hifi-system)!

So, what was your verdict?
 8)
It took some time before I got this CD! I think these are not earth shattering lost masterpieces but they deserve a firm place in the North European symphonic tradition. It made me wonder how the other symphonies by Egge are. The First symphony, composed during WWII is an good piece. I like it. It has a very sombre opening, like a funeral march. After that the symphony develops like many do: a faster episodes enclosed by more introvert one. The Adagio struck me as first class, it has a very sad and sombre feel enhanced by the low lying parts for cellos and double basses. The finale isn’t uninteresting but after the impressive adagio I think it’s a so so. Probably the playing could have more Schwung and power if the vigoroso as indicated was more vigorous. The piano concerto nr. 2 is a variation work on a Norwegian Folk melody, I couldn’t locate it, I’m not from Norway….. Eva Knardal plays very secure – she was the first pianist to complete an all Grieg series on BIS I was wondering? – and the work has a Martinů-feel over it. It has a nice drive but I think some listeners don’t bother for it like it’s a 13 in an dozen work.
As for the recording. I think that of the piano concerto is the best. It’s a clear recording with some tape hiss. What I like most is the way the piano is recorded: not particularly in front of the orchestra but more integrated with it. The symphony has problems to bloom and shine. It’s not boxy but there’s no air around the orchestra so it gives the impression of light claustrophobia. There’s tape hiss too and I think the remastering process could have been done better of they didn’t abruptly cut of the tape hiss between the movements. Percussion is good, ground bass is fine and instruments in the higher register don’t have any problem to cut through the dark atmosphere in the adagio. If you play the disc completely through you’ll mention after the concerto that the volume in the symphony goes down and you might therefore think the recording is mediocre. Give the volume a boost for the symphony and the problem is over. (signal through McIntosh HA-150 > Sennheiser HD-700 on my ears and monitored with Yamaha NS 5000 speakers.)